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25 minutes ago, goughy said:

Supposedly ScoMo avoided the multiple questions at his press club address today.

With two days to go, can this be the final nail?

Dude the election is over

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On ‎11‎/‎05‎/‎2019 at 7:29 AM, Ex-Hasbeen said:

Or, we could introduce an Active Fee for voting, and go partway to solving the deficit.

So what you are saying....... he has a chance.

 

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8 minutes ago, Cottoneyes said:

RIP Bob

 

Just saw it too. 

He would have loved to have seen a win on Saturday. I can see it now. 

Do it for Bob!

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Wow, very big news.  Labor's longest serving and arguably best PM

RIP Bob.  I still remember my ten-year old self watching you on TV declaring a national holiday when we won the America's Cup

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I received the following email from Bill Shorten. Some tribute. Have a read and wonder like I did who would be able to boast the achievements that Hawke pulled off in modern politics. 

 

“It is with a heavy heart that I write to you about the passing of Bob Hawke, Australia’s 23rd Prime Minister.

The Australian people loved Bob because they knew Bob loved them, this was true to the very end.

With his passing, the labour movement salutes our greatest son, the Labor Party gives thanks for the life of our longest-serving Prime Minister and Australians everywhere remember and honour a man who gave so much to the country and people he cared for so deeply.

In coming days and weeks our nation will give its tribute to a leader and statesman who inspired such profound affection and admiration, such loyalty and love among so many. 

We will remember and revisit the images we know so well.

Bob with microphone or megaphone in one hand, the other moving in time with his words, rallying, inspiring and delighting a crowd.

Bob with head cocked, one hand grasping his earlobe, listening respectfully to an Aboriginal elder, a captain of industry, laughing with an American President or charming a local parent out doing their shopping. 

Maybe in the stands, eyes fixed on the track, creased and folded form guide in hand, ticking off another winner.  

Or in that iconic jacket, mouth open with laughter, dodging the beer and champagne, giving his Prime Ministerial blessing to a national sickie.

Those images will always be with us, the words to accompany them will pour in from across the country and around the world. 

But the most powerful and enduring tributes to Bob Hawke are not words or pictures, they are found all around us.  

World-class universities, where places are earned on merit not purchased by privilege.

Children from working-class families who finish school. Less than 3 in 10 kids did that when Bob came to office, 8 in 10 when he left.

A modern, outward-looking, competitive economy, built around the principle that working and middle class people must be fairly rewarded for their efforts.

A system dedicated to the idea that growth is stronger when it is shared, when wages and living standards rise and a generous safety net catches those who fall on hard times.

A country where tourists and locals alike share the wonders of the Daintree, or ride the rapids of the Franklin.

An Australia at home in Asia, a voice heard and respected in the councils of the world.

A country that steps up and plays its part, keeping peace in the Middle East, keeping Antarctica safe for science. 

Every Australian carries a monument to Bob Hawke with them, their Medicare card. A green-and-gold promise that the health of any one of us, matters to all of us.

As President of the ACTU, Bob was the champion of unpopular causes: 

  • The right of unions to organise and bargain.
  • Opposing French nuclear testing in the Pacific.
  • Opposing the war in Vietnam.
  • Opposing Apartheid and defending Nelson Mandela, when conservatives were branding him a terrorist. 

He was a leader of conviction – and a builder of consensus. But for Bob, consensus and co-operation never meant pursuing the lowest common denominator. 

Bringing the country together never meant presenting people with the soft option, or taking the nation down the low road or the lazy path of least resistance. 

Bob and the brilliant cabinet he chaired so assuredly didn’t demand consensus or capitulate to it, they built it: through leadership, through persuasion, through Bob’s special connection with the Australian people that he nurtured and treasured.

After he left politics, Bob’s innate appreciation for Australians’ aspirations made him a wonderful source of advice and inspiration for his successors. 

He was always generous with his time, and well into his ninth decade, remained a star performer at every Labor gathering he attended. No night was complete without his rendition of “Solidarity Forever”.  

In Australian history, in Australian politics, there will always be B.H. and A.H: Before Hawke and After Hawke. 

After Hawke, we were a different country.  

A kinder, better, bigger and bolder country.

His brilliant, incomparable partnership with Paul Keating transformed our economy.  

His deep friendship and co-operation with Bill Kelty gave us the national Accord and the social wage.

In our region, conscientiously, sensitively and with deep humility, he engaged the leaders and people of Asia.  

He knew that Australia’s future depended on making peace with our past, through true and lasting Reconciliation with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples. 

And he understood the duty we all have to preserve our natural heritage, to protect the environmental treasures we hold on trust for future generations. 

Of course, to honour Bob is to pay tribute to Blanche, his chronicler, companion, confidante and champion. Their love for each other shone through everything. 

Blanche is in our hearts today, so too are Bob’s children, Sue, Stephen, Rosslyn, his stepson Louis and his grandchildren. 

At our Labor launch I told Bob we loved him, I promised we would win for him. I said the same to him the next day at his home, when I visited. 

It was Monday 6 May, the Sydney sun was out, that famous silver mane, now snow-white. Cigar in hand, strawberry milkshake on the table, the hefty bulk of his dictionary holding down the day’s cryptic crossword.  

I gave the man who inspired me to go into politics a gentle hug, I tried to tell him what he meant to me, what he meant to all of us.  

I couldn’t quite find the right words, few of us can, when we’re face-to-face with our heroes.

But Bob knew.  

He knew what he meant to Australia, he knew what he had achieved for the country. 

He knew he was loved, right to the end.  

We honour him.  

We will remember him. 

In solidarity, forever.  

May he rest in peace. 

- Bill”

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I think it is a good assessment and well written whoever wrote it and maybe Bill himself but I am of the view and you can call it cynical so it’s seems a bit political   I think these views should wait until after Sunday.  On both sides.  I would rather hear of personal anecdotes and stories which are coming to light today. 

 

Sorry that is just my opinion as is everything I write on here.  Often I am totally wrong.  

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Was hearing a story today, that back in 71 the South African Rugby team were touring Australia, with what was considered a "racially selected team".  Hawke made things tough for them, even getting the airlines to not fly them and the then pm had to offer them the airforce for transport.  A strong progressive attitude for Hawke to take back then, against apartheid!

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Just now, goughy said:

Was hearing a story today, that back in 71 the South African Rugby team were touring Australia, with what was considered a "racially selected team".  Hawke made things tough for them, even getting the airlines to not fly them and the then pm had to offer them the airforce for transport.  A strong progressive attitude for Hawke to take back then, against apartheid!

Yes.  Those things are fantastic. He was one of the best because he had conviction and was bloody tough.  Where are those polllys today.  What has gone wrong ? 

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Tom Carroll has some interesting stories about how he was approached and supported by Hawke when he boycotted SA events as world surfing champ

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Gareth Evans recalled his most memorable Bob Hawke moment was at the CHOGM in Malaysia when Bob was at loggerheads with Maggie Thatcher over apartheid in South Africa where he told her to wisen up and get on the right side of history.  Bob was pretty passionate about racism and sexism and Maggie copped it for her leniency on South Africa  How cool is that..?!

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15 minutes ago, Prince said:

I think it is a good assessment and well written whoever wrote it and maybe Bill himself but I am of the view and you can call it cynical so it’s seems a bit political   I think these views should wait until after Sunday.  On both sides.  I would rather hear of personal anecdotes and stories which are coming to light today. 

 

Sorry that is just my opinion as is everything I write on here.  Often I am totally wrong.  

Yes whoever wrote it did a great job. This was not published in media but sent to ALP email list, so expect it to be partisan. Can’t dispute the reform and legislation or its impact

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I doubt there is a single person in the parliamentary ALP that has one ounce of the conviction and integrity that Hawkey had in his little finger and certainly there isn't on with the remotest hint of his charisma.  Like him or loathe him you were compelled to respect him.  RIP Bob.

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6 minutes ago, Stikman said:

I doubt there is a single person in the parliamentary ALP that has one ounce of the conviction and integrity that Hawkey had in his little finger and certainly there isn't on with the remotest hint of his charisma.  Like him or loathe him you were compelled to respect him.  RIP Bob.

Penny Wong and Tania Plibersek perhaps?

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16 minutes ago, Stikman said:

I doubt there is a single person in the parliamentary ALP that has one ounce of the conviction and integrity that Hawkey had in his little finger and certainly there isn't on with the remotest hint of his charisma.  Like him or loathe him you were compelled to respect him.  RIP Bob.

It must have been sad for Bob to watch his party's gradual decline to the shadow of it's former self that it is today

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11 minutes ago, Parkside said:

SMH has endorsed Shorten

In other astonishing news, the sun rose in the east this morning...

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13 minutes ago, Parkside said:

Penny Wong and Tania Plibersek perhaps?

Wong?  Not even close.  Sold her principles on a carbon tax and same-sex-marriage without so much as a whimper to toe the party line.

Plibersek likewise compromised her principles on SSM and also with respect to Israel in her foreign affairs portfolio.

Not an ounce.

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2 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

It must have been sad for Bob to watch his party's gradual decline to the shadow of it's former self that it is today

Likewise for the other great Bob of Australian politics with his party had he not died long ago.  Even Howard is probably ashamed.

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34 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

In other astonishing news, the sun rose in the east this morning...

After they endorsed Berejiklian 2 months ago? 

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51 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

It must have been sad for Bob to watch his party's gradual decline to the shadow of it's former self that it is today

You mean in Government Sunday?

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21 minutes ago, Parkside said:

After they endorsed Berejiklian 2 months ago? 

Yes

I don't recall Foley proposing a GW driven socialist manifesto similar to that of Shorten 2 months ago

Are you seriously suggesting that the SMH would even consider endorsing the Libs after what they did to poor old Malcolm?

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9 minutes ago, Parkside said:

You mean in Government Sunday?

lol

'Who cares that my team is garbage, as long as they win...'

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5 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

Yes

I don't recall Foley proposing a GW driven socialist manifesto similar to that of Shorten 2 months ago

Are you seriously suggesting that the SMH would even consider endorsing the Libs after what they did to poor old Malcolm?

Read their editorial at face value and see if even you could justify endorsing the coalition? 

On the other hand, any Murdoch paper would endorse Ivan Milat if Rupert told them to.

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7 minutes ago, Parkside said:

Read their editorial at face value and see if even you could justify endorsing the coalition? 

On the other hand, any Murdoch paper would endorse Ivan Milat if Rupert told them to.

'Vote for Bill and his united team, not the bunch of squabbling climate deniers'

Seriously, it could have been written by the ALP itself...

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6 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

Looks like the Labor party are using the same printers as WTC.

 

Well they're both owned by the Chinese

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Jimbo.....

Sleep easy, no greater present then to get a Labor Govt for your birthday, enjoy the day, remember it forever, 

Cheers.....

Ps, you had a little wry smile with that...i know.

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Leftist peace, love and tolerance on display in Balgowlah Heights last night...

A Liberal volunteer was allegedly stabbed with a corkscrew on Friday night by a man at a polling station in the hotly contested electorate of Warringah, where former prime minister Tony Abbott is facing off against independent Zali Steggall in a race that has turned increasingly bitter.

A number of Liberal volunteers were putting up campaign material at Balgowlah Heights Public School when a 62-year-old man allegedly started yelling abuse at the volunteers, police said.

"The man then thrust a corkscrew at the stomach of a 31-year-old man, causing a minor injury," police said in a statement. "He then started ripping down the banners that had been erected, before fleeing the scene."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/liberal-volunteer-attacked-at-warringah-polling-booth-20190517-p51onc.html

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1 hour ago, IronJimbo said:

Leftist peace, love and tolerance on display in Balgowlah Heights last night...

 

 

Or just a nutter with a corkscrew.

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7 minutes ago, more said:

Yeah it's funny, particularly in the US where the 'tollerant left' are always the violent aggressors.

Not just in the US, it would seem...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7030601/Moment-foul-mouthed-Greens-candidate-hurls-abuse-Christian-university-students.html

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19 hours ago, Parkside said:

Penny Wong and Tania Plibersek perhaps?

Didn’t Wong refuse to shake Corman’s had last week after a debate?

Hardly a show of integrity 

And Plibersek couldn’t started the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere when being interviewed by Jones

Hardly a sign of conviction 

 

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37 minutes ago, Mr Tinman said:

And Plibersek couldn’t started the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere when being interviewed by Jones

Hardly a sign of conviction

Seriously?

Sounds more like a cheap gotcha question that Jones would have enabled Jones to behave like a dog with bone. The same question could be tossed at most pollies of any political persuasion with the same result.

And the same stunt can be pulled on any topic.

So you don't know how many pedo priests were moved to other diocese by the Catholic church? Then you obviously don't care about protecting children from molestation. Gotcha!

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2 hours ago, more said:

Yeah it's funny, particularly in the US where the 'tollerant left' are always the violent aggressors.

Yes, we've never seen a right wing nutjob go batshit crazy with a gun in the US.

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14 minutes ago, Paul Every said:

Yes, we've never seen a right wing nutjob go batshit crazy with a gun in the US.

I could list countless instances of people being physically attacked for symply wearing a MAGA hat in the US, not to mention the left violently trying to stop the right sides conferences etc And then you have the whole Antifa thing.

But yeah I'll agree there are plenty of right wing nut jobs also. The point I'm trying to make though is excluding the fringe nut jobs there seems to be a much higher disregard for opposing opinions from the left, and that opposition normally comes in the form of aggression. 

If you claim to be 'tolerant and accepting' you should be able to tolerate other opinions without resorting to violence.

 

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I've done my bit.

Like Goughy, it was hard to figure out who to put not last.

In the end it was bottom up: Anning,Hanson,Palmer.

12 below the line is the only way to not vote for some absolute tools in the Senate too.

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I hope Shorten loses just because of the arrogant way he is strutting around as if it's already won. A bit of humility goes a long way...

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24 minutes ago, more said:

I could list countless instances of people being physically attacked for symply wearing a MAGA hat in the US, not to mention the left violently trying to stop the right sides conferences etc And then you have the whole Antifa thing.

But yeah I'll agree there are plenty of right wing nut jobs also. The point I'm trying to make though is excluding the fringe nut jobs there seems to be a much higher disregard for opposing opinions from the left, and that opposition normally comes in the form of aggression. 

If you claim to be 'tolerant and accepting' you should be able to tolerate other opinions without resorting to violence.

 

there seems

 

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There are dicks everywhere!  You pretty much need to look out your window and you'll see one!

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