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Sadly Abbott lost his spine when he became the PM. He succumbed to the populist views ie: the polls.

He should have learnt a lot from John Howard - but then again he had Turnbull circling the whole time. Both as bad as each other. But then again...Turnbull never had a spine to start with. Didn't he try to join Labor first. Warning bells there!!!!!

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On 29/01/2019 at 8:09 PM, Parkside said:

Yep, out with the rubbish. He needs to be relegated to the think tank talk show circuit ASAP, or a coal board or 2. He stank as a PM, his party knifed him, his branch despises him and has splintered to run an independent against him, but it's leftist hate. He is yesterdays man in all respects. He has been nothing but a sniper and disruptor from the back bench, outed his successor and now will gift the lodge to Bill Shorten. His ship is sinking, go down with it. Ditch the bitch or something.

very true.  Since Howard, I think the only one who didn't snipe and disrupt their own parties when they were disposed of was Gillard, as much as I couldn't stand her, she did disappear into the never never and kept her mouth shut. 

This election will be a bonanza for Independents I predict. 

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Gillard is keeping quiet for three reasons - A, W and U

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And the dickheads trying to take credit for something they resisted for so long in the first place. 

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Isn't that stock standard for politicians?  Along with passing the buck?

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Wonder if the report about the banking royal Commission coming out will hurt ScoMo at all, since he didn't want it?

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TA thinks there isn't enough toilets at Manly beach!  Is it only recently that there has been an issue with supply, or have they always been on the short side for the last 20 odd years?

Amazing what a perceived threat can do for an electorate?

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2 hours ago, goughy said:

TA thinks there isn't enough toilets at Manly beach! 

What's wrong with these Manly residents, why don't they just wade out and do it in the ocean like most of us do at the beach.

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On 03/02/2019 at 8:20 PM, goughy said:

Wonder if the report about the banking royal Commission coming out will hurt ScoMo at all, since he didn't want it?

Voted against it 26 times.

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32 minutes ago, Parkside said:

Voted against it 26 times.

He was trying to save money! And bring the budget back under control.

 

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15 hours ago, Mike Del said:

What's wrong with these Manly residents, why don't they just wade out and do it in the ocean like most of us do at the beach.

Pricey (who lives in the area) said it's only one time a year they need the extra portaloos, due to an ocean swim event.  Rest of the year the residents probably do as you describe...

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1 hour ago, Parkside said:

Voted against it 26 times.

So repeatedly asking the same question means that you repeatedly get the same answer?

Who knew...

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I'm not sure what Peter Dutton is on about now, but his latest 2 "Fights" for his electorate are both State Government & Local Council matters.

The latest is his & ScoMo's declaration to fix a low bridge crossing in the north of his electorate. He's been running a campaign on his website saying we need to get behind him to fix this bridge. The problem is, it's a local council road & bridge. He's now pledged $7.5M to fix it. Great, because the last study put the cost at over $80M, and for a back road, it is just too expensive for a local council to fund the other $73M.

But even worse, there are a number of large billboards on the main road I use with his ugly mug on, proclaiming his fight for better parking at Ferny Grove Station. Yes it needs it, but no, it's a State Gov matter, and there are already development plans in to redevelop the station and add additional parking. I suppose he will claim the additional spaces as his work. And better than that, the station isn't even in his electorate. Maybe if he got the NBN fixed (heaven forbid he do something about a Federal matter), then a lot of the people that currently commute every day could work from home and not have to drive to the station.

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NSW Labor has promised free public transport for all children, all the time and now fee free TAFE courses for skill shortage vocations (ie every trade known to man). Anything that puts “RTOs” to the sword is good in my books.

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On 03/02/2019 at 8:20 PM, goughy said:

Wonder if the report about the banking royal Commission coming out will hurt ScoMo at all, since he didn't want it?

And there was a rush into the union commission which uncovered relatively little compared to the banking one

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26 minutes ago, BarryBevan said:

And there was a rush into the union commission which uncovered relatively little compared to the banking one

That's true I suppose

Heydon noted that Bill Shorten is not credible, but we already knew that

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3 hours ago, IronJimbo said:

Heydon noted that Bill Shorten is not credible, but we already knew that

Most politicians are politicians, hence not credible. 

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6 hours ago, BarryBevan said:

And there was a rush into the union commission which uncovered relatively little compared to the banking one

it made some people aware that the CFMEU in particular  are nothing but filthy corrupt scumbags, even though most of us knew this. It's just a pity many people can't  join the dots to the current Opposition leader.....

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They can join the dots, why do you think he's so unpopular!  I wouldn't be surprised if him leading cost Labor the last election.  But you get to a point, no matter how unpopular a leader is, the current mob will have burnt all their bridges.  But I think they have to stick with him, can't afford a leadership change.

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I think on all sides of politics now we are being left with the fact that each time a leader moves on or gets deposed, they are simply replaced by another bloody politician. 

There is little difference between them all now, either side.  The personality is beaten out of them, they are not allowed to have their own ideas, they simply have to spin the lines and do what the faction that put them in place insists they do. 

I have never not voted before, but I am seriously starting to consider it as an option now. As the old saying goes "Don't vote, it only encourages them" 

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Just write them a message on the ballot paper. As long as the rest is filled in properly, it's still valid. 

 

In 1982 during the Franklin Dam protests, voters sent a wake-up call to the Federal Government when a Federal By-election in Victoria returned over 40% of ballot papers, with "No Dams" written across them.

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Thing is, they want us all to have our say (by voting), but really my say is worthless (I'm sure some would agree what I say here doesn't have much value either).  I vote every time, but I'm in dyed in the wool nationals country (or lnp).  Even Peter Dutton would get a safe majority here.

When it comes to the crunch, just how many seats actually affect the election?

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18 minutes ago, goughy said:

When it comes to the crunch, just how many seats actually affect the election?

With the Government in the position it is at the moment, every one. Given there may be a large swing this year, it may become moot, but this is the 2nd minority/hung Government in recent years, so a seat here or there would see a huge difference.

If you mean "how many seats have the ability to swing from one party to the other" rather than stay with their historical preference due to the demographics, they can all change, it just takes time, and a good alternative.

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3 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

Just write them a message on the ballot paper. As long as the rest is filled in properly, it's still valid. 

 

In 1982 during the Franklin Dam protests, voters sent a wake-up call to the Federal Government when a Federal By-election in Victoria returned over 40% of ballot papers, with "No Dams" written across them.

If a ballot is written on outside the boxes the scrutineer of the party not getting the vote will most certainly dispute it's validity. The booth OIC or the returning officer will say yey or nay. The vote will stand as long as it contains no profanity, threat, or anything that may identify the voter. 

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At the same time, a valid vote gives the party or individual funds from our taxes to help them pay for their election costs - as long as they get above 4% of the primary vote.

In my state electorate, the Nats member had an increase to 65% of the primary vote.  Being such a safe seat we get 2/5ths of bugger all money spent with alot of infrastructure being neglected for a 20 year period now.

Last election no one got my vote and my message written on the ballot was along the lines of "You spend nothing on us, I'm spending nothing on you".  Kept my $3.50 (for each house) or whatever it is in the treasury and not in a political party.  Enough people do it in the safe seats and the parties will have a funding crisis in not much time, particularly with corporate donations and union memberships on the decline

Alternatively, if you have a good independent, give them the money for next time and give them your first preference and encourage more of them

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Isn't that why Pauline Hanson keeps going at this, the money she gets from that?

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7 minutes ago, goughy said:

Isn't that why Pauline Hanson keeps going at this, the money she gets from that?

They only get what they can show they spent on electoral spending. In theory, you have to have spent it to get it back.

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5 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

They only get what they can show they spent on electoral spending. In theory, you have to have spent it to get it back.

 Yeah but she probably gets the original spend from donors/ backers, then pockets the return from the AEC

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4 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

They only get what they can show they spent on electoral spending. In theory, you have to have spent it to get it back.

Yeh but that’s why her office manager / PA ( the one who worked for Slipper then stabbed him in the back) owns a printing company. Last election a few One Nation candidates quit because Pauline was forcing them to buy all their election materials off him at crazy prices.

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4 hours ago, roxii said:

 Yeah but she probably gets the original spend from donors/ backers, then pockets the return from the AEC

Part of the reason she went to jail

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Labor's amendments to Kerryn Phelps' activist doctors bill may be unconstitutional

So we have Labor supporting a bill with the Greens and independents which would weaken our border security arrangements, but it won't be forwarded to the GG for royal assent

And the Liberals will be able to go very hard in the campaign using this vote as evidence of Labor's weakness on border security

Quite possibly the second best outcome for the Libs really.  The only way it could go better is if the bill is passed and a bunch of boats turn up

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I would still like to know how many boats have been turned back, and what happened to them after they were turned back?

I guess out of mind out of sight.

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42 minutes ago, goughy said:

I would still like to know how many boats have been turned back, and what happened to them after they were turned back?

I guess out of mind out of sight.

Oh I'm sure boats have been leaving Indonesia at the same rate as they used to under Labor

Obviously the evil Libs are just shooting everyone on board and then sinking the boats

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I think it’s unfair not to give the current govt credit for the jack of boat people. 

Given the current state of Aus politics given a chance I turn back too. 

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So you don't actually know, but as I also think, similar numbers are still leaving?  Cause the smugglers don't care either way!

And the was no need to be silly with the shooting comment.  I asked a simple question, which I've asked several times here and yours is the first response, being you don't actually know!

So we actually have no idea what is happening with the boats after they've been turned around, which, was found to be legal by high Court judges under Australian law, but they didn't take into account international law.

So they could in theory be sinking in Indonesian waters?  Or Malaysian, or Thailand.  So is it of sight out of mind?

The Gov own sight says about 89% who arrive by boat are legitimate refugees.  About 47% who fly here are found legitimate.  And apart from one year, where Arrivals were about the same, many more people have flown here seeking asylum.  We also receive very few compared to other nations around the world.

I agree this needs to be sorted.  I don't want boats sinking anywhere, regardless of whether in Australia or Indonesia, or anywhere.  I don't think either party have got it right, but the current way makes people here feel safer as we aren't being invaded.  I don't have the right solution.  Personally I think we need to go after the smugglers, but that would require the assistance of other nations who are most likely happy to see them leave to head here.

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I also in no way believe our soldiers or navy officers are sending them back in boats that they do not believe are sea worthy.  I think too much of them to even consider that.  So where exactly are they all ending up?

Do we have a problem with a person found to be a legitimate refugee being given refugee status in Australia?

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33 minutes ago, goughy said:

I also in no way believe our soldiers or navy officers are sending them back in boats that they do not believe are sea worthy.  I think too much of them to even consider that.  So where exactly are they all ending up?

Do we have a problem with a person found to be a legitimate refugee being given refugee status in Australia?

Yes Australia is for rich privileged people

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I'm pretty friggin poor, you better send a boat for me!

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1 minute ago, goughy said:

I'm pretty friggin poor, you better send a boat for me!

Hmm, the strategy for less privileged whose rich mummy and daddies did not leave them money or usher them into a life of inherited privilege. is to make you so miserable that you leave, or live a shorter life because it is so horrible. 

We condemn these people to live in crappy western Sydney suburbs and convince them through 2gb and the daily telegraph to support people who would love to ship them off shore

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1 minute ago, goughy said:

I'm pretty friggin poor, you better send a boat for me!

Hmm, the strategy for less privileged whose rich mummy and daddies did not leave them money or usher them into a life of inherited privilege. is to make you so miserable that you leave, or live a shorter life because it is so horrible. 

We condemn these people to live in crappy western Sydney suburbs and convince them through 2gb and the daily telegraph to support people who would love to ship them off shore

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8 hours ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

They only get what they can show they spent on electoral spending. In theory, you have to have spent it to get it back.

Even if you spend say $200K on a campaign director that happens to be your spouse.  These people and organisations know the ways to get around the rules

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16 minutes ago, goughy said:

I'm pretty friggin poor, you better send a boat for me!

You live in the very western suburbs, even further than Inala & Ipswich. ;)

 

You are allowed to stay there.

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I'm not privileged enough to live in Logan!  I'm in dyed in the wool right wing territory - the sort of people that love Barnaby and wish they could have him as their member!  Where I live, if you vote informally they just count that as a vote for the nats (or LNP) assuming that you were farming too much to get a proper edumacation  and you just made a mistake with your ballot paper!

For the State electorates, mine was once held by the Katter party!  Send me that boat now!!!

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Libs are screwed.  They need to call an election now. They are a minority government now. 

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The government lost a series of votes by 74 to 75 in a defeat on significant legislation that has not occurred in federal Parliament since 1941

 

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Won't happen.  ScoMo says "move along, move along!  Nuttin to see here."

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What about the 12 refugees that Labor tell you died in custody on Manus Island due to the Australia Govenrment.

They neglect to tell you that ;

2 died swimming (1 on a day trip and got caught in a rip.

2 from car accidents

1 threw himself out of. A car

1 set himself on fire in protest during a UN visit.

2 from Heart attacks (1 had been sent to Brissy the other had been in Port Moresby)

3 had long term mental health issues way before arriving.

1 had the shit beaten out of him.  

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