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While it's true, it's only really a minor issue, and academics interviewed for the story, and even Hugh Rimmington (who I respect as a journo) seem to think it's 50/50.

Regardless, the Parliament has to refer it to the high court, and I'm not sure that even MT and his supporters would back that move.

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I typed something long but couldn’t be fucked. Yeah, I just think your head is so far up the “left bad” , “right good” black hole that you are incapable of any sort of meaningful discourse.   

Does it matter what the Gillard government thought? I'm not going to tell you how to debate your topics IJ, but you seem to be fixated on the politics rather than the problem. Sometimes things ha

I don’t get it, we’d be run by Counts? 🙃  

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5 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

Nah. Turnbull survived.

I know, but if I even got one person to suck their breath in it was worth paying that ;):)

He's resigned from the front bench, and they expect another challenge in the future and his 35 result bodes well for him in another attempt!  Now to see how many other ministers follow him...

He and TA can snigger and plot from up the back bench.  TA must be friggin loving it.  The Parliament is the new school yard, or has it always been?

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Unfortunately, there will be another leadership spill in the coming weeks. Dutton will sit with TA on the back bench and drum up more support.  Dutton will be leader soon. 

The winner is "lucky Bill" .  No one likes him but unfortunately voters now have little choice. 

Andrew is putting the red bunting out in his yard as we speak...

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2 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

 

When is this next election?

They were just saying that Vic election due November, and NSW in March and then it's Easter.  So May?  

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1 minute ago, Prince said:

Unfortunately, there will be another leadership spill in the coming weeks. Dutton will sit with TA on the back bench and drum up more support.  Dutton will be leader soon. 

The winner is "lucky Bill" .  No one likes him but unfortunately voters now have little choice. 

I'm not so sure

Genuine conservative leadership of the Liberal party should result in policy differences which, properly communicated, should make Bill work a bit harder than he has been (well, at all)

For example, Bill should be made to go to the next election having to explain why he wants to raise power prices up for zero benefit.  If South Australians can vote Liberal, anyone can...

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1 minute ago, Prince said:

The winner is "lucky Bill" .  No one likes him but unfortunately voters now have little choice. 

So do they have to apologise for any comments they may have made about the Labs leadership woes?  I honestly can't fathom that they're going down the exact same path!  It's frickin hilarious.

As I've said, I have no issues with BS.  But I know he's unliked and I have no doubt he cost Lab votes.  But they are doing everything to hand it to him on a silver platter!  Wonder what the FB page "Bill shorten will never or pm" is saying?

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4 minutes ago, goughy said:

So do they have to apologise for any comments they may have made about the Labs leadership woes?  I honestly can't fathom that they're going down the exact same path!  It's frickin hilarious.

 

If short pants had lost the bi-elections last month, he too would have been rolled.  It is no longer about the parties, its about self interests. 

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7 minutes ago, goughy said:

So do they have to apologise for any comments they may have made about the Labs leadership woes?  I honestly can't fathom that they're going down the exact same path!  It's frickin hilarious.

That was done when Turnbull knifed Abbott

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So MT called this this morning without warning!  They're saying it's pissed a fair few people off!  They're talking with Barry Cassidy and another girl on the ABC at the moment.  Saying that Dutton got 35 votes with none of the usual preparation, calls and schmoozing, and that another challenge may come as early as Thursday this week!  They reckon 35 votes with no prep is a major loss for MT!  And MT asked dutton to stay in his position but he refused!  And the press are being refused entry to the usual area so they can't interview and of the libs leaving.

It's actually all pretty interesting really.  Will MT survive the week.

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My old man used to say that he liked MT, but that he wasn't strategic or tactical enough for the game.  That was back after he was previous leader.  Seems he hasn't learnt.

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1 hour ago, goughy said:

It's actually all pretty interesting really.  Will MT survive the week.

Calling a snap spill would have cost MT votes from those demanding stability and unity going to an election, but I suspect that if there is a 2nd spill motion (rumored for later this week) the Dutton votes that came from the pissed-off moderates may fade as they start to assess the likelihood of them winning an election with Dutton on the stage and Abbott clearly pulling the strings.

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48 minutes ago, goughy said:

My old man used to say that he liked MT, but that he wasn't strategic or tactical enough for the game.  That was back after he was previous leader.  Seems he hasn't learnt.

MT will always look after MT as his priority - he demonstrated this way back when he was the 'deep throat' who shopped Kerry Packer over his clandestine multi-media ownership plans, because he didn't get his way over a partnership deal, despite being Packer's lawyer and bound by client confidentiality - I still don't know how he got away with that.

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14 minutes ago, dazaau said:

Like Costello before him.

Costello would be halfway though his third term by now if he'd taken over after the '07 loss

Obviously having cleaned up after Keating he didn't like the idea of having to clean up after Swan

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2 hours ago, IronJimbo said:

Costello would be halfway though his third term by now if he'd taken over after the '07 loss

As much as I admired and respected Costello, he never had the plums to challenge and I don't think he would have survived any better than Malcolm against the right wing, with the same fate being foisted upon him as Malcolm will have shortly.  Remember that Tones still had master agitator Heffernan controlling the party in the Senate with chief lackey Coonan the Barbarian at the time who both were very anti-Costello and anti-moderates.

Shame the media can't make a buck out of running stories reminding people that there are other options beyond Labs and Libs, and possibly give some exposure to independents that would do a better job

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On a side note to all the current excitement, some may have noticed that Skynoos host Paul Murray recently associated socialism with fascism and that his old buddy Peter Van Onselen leap to his defence. This is straight out the current United States alt-right play book as peddled by Fox. Basically the theory being that fascism and Nazism in particular were forms of statism, and provided certain forms of goodies for free to its citizens (like free healthcare). Therefore social democracy and democratic socialism, which are forms of statism, and promise free healthcare are also forms of fascism. Plus the Nazi’s had the word ‘socialism’ in its full title.

The is a point by point rebuttal of this dangerous and wrong bullshit:

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2018/08/20/4885949.htm

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Just heard that as many as 5 of his cabinet have offered their resignations, including one lady who had recommended to MT months ago that he needed to dump Julie Bishop as deputy leader!  Isn't she like the best thing to come out of the lnp so far???  And one of them is also the guy who was instrumental in MT rolling TA...

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8 minutes ago, goughy said:

Just heard that as many as 5 of his cabinet have offered their resignations, including one lady who had recommended to MT months ago that he needed to dump Julie Bishop as deputy leader!  Isn't she like the best thing to come out of the lnp so far???  And one of them is also the guy who was instrumental in MT rolling TA...

And also reporting that NP MPs will cross the floor if Dutton installed.

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SMH printed the list - a few names that are a bit surprising. I wonder how much of a 'brexit' effect there is in that? - i.e register a protest vote to show annoyance at the snap spill, thinking it won't matter but only to find too many others did the same thing.

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3 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

I must be getting old. I agree.

at least hotter, in a dominating sort of power way.

 

On a funny note:

Senator Seselja was Assistant Minister for Science, Jobs and Innovation.

Loss to science and there is this guy who quit today

Senator McGrath is Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister and was instrumental in the 2015 coup which saw Mr Turnbull replace Tony Abbott.

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3 hours ago, goughy said:

Just heard that as many as 5 of his cabinet have offered their resignations, including one lady who had recommended to MT months ago that he needed to dump Julie Bishop as deputy leader!  Isn't she like the best thing to come out of the lnp so far???  And one of them is also the guy who was instrumental in MT rolling TA...

Bishop is a huge disappointment

She could well have shown us what a successful female PM looks like, but burned her chance by siding with turnbull

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I don't think she burned her chance.  I think she's smart enough to not step up, especially with her party!  I think "the people" would be happy enough with her.  I may be wing, but I get the impression she's generally well regarded by the populace, maybe even the most across the board liked of the current LNP pollies.

Do we know how she voted in the previous spill?  She was deputy then wasn't she, did she side with her leader?  Maybe that's who she is, the one who stands beside them through thick and thin?

Or I'm just talking out my arse (wouldn't be the first time)

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12 minutes ago, goughy said:

I don't think she burned her chance.  I think she's smart enough to not step up, especially with her party!  I think "the people" would be happy enough with her.  I may be wing, but I get the impression she's generally well regarded by the populace, maybe even the most across the board liked of the current LNP pollies.

Do we know how she voted in the previous spill?  She was deputy then wasn't she, did she side with her leader?  Maybe that's who she is, the one who stands beside them through thick and thin?

Or I'm just talking out my arse (wouldn't be the first time)

she has my vote, now if we can get Keneally on labour side and Bishop in the other Politics would stir the blood

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1 hour ago, goughy said:

I don't think she burned her chance.  I think she's smart enough to not step up, especially with her party!  I think "the people" would be happy enough with her.  I may be wing, but I get the impression she's generally well regarded by the populace, maybe even the most across the board liked of the current LNP pollies.

Do we know how she voted in the previous spill?  She was deputy then wasn't she, did she side with her leader?  Maybe that's who she is, the one who stands beside them through thick and thin?

Or I'm just talking out my arse (wouldn't be the first time)

She backed Turnbull last time.  Nobody will trust her now

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I guess when you think about it, both the right and the left of politics is getting what they want: Dutton for PM. Double down by making Barnaby Deputy PM again, and maybe making Abbott the lib Deputy, and both sides will think it's Christmas.

The only people being left out are those of us in the middle. :(

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Interesting couple of ideas on the policy front from Dutton this morning:

- Remove GST on power bills for families and retirees

- Royal commission into fuel and energy prices

Not sure what the effect of the GST exemption would have on the states and budget, but I can imagine the RC getting a bit of support

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8 minutes ago, asmithaxe said:

I guess when you think about it, both the right and the left of politics is getting what they want: Dutton for PM. Double down by making Barnaby Deputy PM again, and maybe making Abbott the lib Deputy, and both sides will think it's Christmas.

The only people being left out are those of us in the middle. :(

And Malcolm in the Middle. 

For me he was "the great hope" for moderate politics. Alas it seems by trying to be in the middle instead of appeasing both sides it seems all you do is piss off the left and right.  

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