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So we get to vote Kev back in on September 14. Anyone know where I can get a Kevin13 T.Shirt?

I like Joe Hockey but what a dickhead thing to say-
"Deeply disappointed that Julia Gillard chose to hold the election on Yom Kippur — the most solemn and sacred day of the Jewish year," Mr Turnbull wrote.

Its made him look like a wanker.

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There should be a maximum time limit on announcing the election.

8 weeks tops.

8 months is taking the piss.

 

I've already seen "Women of Australia have 8 months to campaign against Tony" messages.

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I'm going to start a "small asian female doctors of Australia have 8 months to campaign against the partner of Tim Mathieson" campaign.

 

After all the kerfuffle over "targetting" Julia last year I'm going to be an interested observer of the ratio of "beat Tony Abbott" compared to "beat the Liberals/Nationals/Coalition" over the next eight months. My guess is around 10:1. I will also take note of the number of times that TA is referred to as "him" or "he." I just won't stand for such offensive sexist language.

 

How good does Ms J look with the specs on! Surprised her PR guy didn't sort this ensemble years eariler

 

 

Still looks dopey to me.

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I like Joe Hockey but what a dickhead thing to say-

"Deeply disappointed that Julia Gillard chose to hold the election on Yom Kippur — the most solemn and sacred day of the Jewish year," Mr Turnbull wrote.

 

Its made him look like a wanker.

 

 

 

Hockey or Turnbull?

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If you wanted proof that politics is an absolute mugs game, you just had to listen to Joe Hockey on the radio this afternoon. In one breath he criticised Gillard for calling an election too late in the year and undermining business confidence, and then in the next breath criticised her for not calling it late enough because the full budget figures won't be available by Sept 14th.

 

This was only topped by a calling saying he was going to vote for Tony Abbott (fair enough, his choice). His reasoning......"I was brought up on the North Shore in a white collar family, so I'm always going to vote Liberal"......and people of the North Shore and Northern Beaches of Sydney wonder why they are always neglected by both political parties. Labor knows they will never win the seats so they invest nothing, and the Liberals know they will never lose the seats so they invest nothing :P.

 

Am I naive to think that with an election date set it might actually give all sides of politics some policy direction this year, rather than the populist rubbish we've had to put up with for the past few years?

 

Edit. Disclaimer, before I get accused of being an anti-Liberal lefty Labor supporter, I actually have no political affiliation. I'm one of those annoying swing voters who decides my vote based on the policies offered up at each election, rather than voting along the traditional lines of where I was born :P

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After all the kerfuffle over "targetting" Julia last year I'm going to be an interested observer of the ratio of "beat Tony Abbott" compared to "beat the Liberals/Nationals/Coalition" over the next eight months. My guess is around 10:1.

 

Im betting its more like 100:1

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Am I naive to think that with an election date set it might actually give all sides of politics some policy direction this year, rather than the populist rubbish we've had to put up with for the past few years?

 

 

Yes.

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Am I naive to think that with an election date set it might actually give all sides of politics some policy direction this year, rather than the populist rubbish we've had to put up with for the past few years?
Yep, too naive Im afraid.

Already heard this arvo of people saying that the GST will increase if the Coalition wins :rolleyes:

 

Wonder when the ICAC investigation (essentially) into the NSW Labor will deliver its findings. Wouldnt help federal Labors chances you would have thought.

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I will also take note of the number of times that TA is referred to as "him" or "he."

 

 

They'll stick to the 'MRRabbit' thing.

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If you wanted proof that politics is an absolute mugs game, you just had to listen to Joe Hockey on the radio this afternoon. In one breath he criticised Gillard for calling an election too late in the year and undermining business confidence, and then in the next breath criticised her for not calling it late enough because the full budget figures won't be available by Sept 14th.

 

I didn't hear it but aren't they two different things?

 

8 months vs 3 months at a later date?

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Seems the rats have started to desert the sinking ship....

 

 

Indeed

 

Roxon is a big surprise, and not good news for Gillard given her better-then-average knowledge of the AWU's legal matters during the 1990s

 

Great news for our legal system though...

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Am I naive to think that with an election date set it might actually give all sides of politics some policy direction this year, rather than the populist rubbish we've had to put up with for the past few years?

 

 

 

Unfortunately yes

 

Given that Gillard's only achievements are two great big new taxes, she doesn't have much else to talk about

 

She's played the sexist and sympathy cards. The only tactic left is to go down swinging

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The PM has the opposite of the midas touch.

 

The last few days are further evidence.

 

Maybe it would have been a good idea to consult with cabinet. Get these resignations out of way before any announcement. Now, a few days in, having to say the govt is not a shinking ship. Seems dumb to me.

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She's played the sexist and sympathy cards. The only tactic left is to go down swinging

 

 

And the race card (Nova Peris),,,,probably picked that up from Mundine with his intelligent rant about Geales 'white wife & white kids' :sleepy: I see Jon Stephenson also pulled the race card the other day....yaawwwwwnnnnnnnn.

 

 

Maybe it would have been a good idea to consult with cabinet. Get these resignations out of way before any announcement. Now, a few days in, having to say the govt is not a shinking ship. Seems dumb to me.

 

 

No, it won't matter, most of the voting public have the memory span of a gnat, numerous other media concocted shi*t storms will happen between now & Sept, Roxon and her mate will be a distant memory.

 

BTW has anyone looked at Larry Pickerings website? Funny, but very vitriolic re Gillard and her cronies. However, a bit more reading will reveal Larry has a very questionable past too.

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Gillard doesn't have too many cards to play, so she is playing as best she can, with the cards she has been dealt. Most commentators believe it's Abbott's election to lose (I wish Peter Costello was going to be the deputy PM), so Abbott is going to have to be on his guard for the next 8 months. It's a long shot, but it has worked before, anyone remember John Hewson? Polls prior to the 2001 election had labour in a winning position, but September 11 and the Tampa, worked in John Howard's favour, so it's not impossible.

 

Roxon was a surprise, but I guess she doesn't want to do the hard yards in opposition. Apparently the new AG has a fine legal mind, a pity he won't be in the position long enough to put it to good use.

 

I am wondering what will happen with Craig Thompson? If he is suspended from the Labour Party, then surely he can't stand as their candidate in Dobell? So will he stand as an independent? Can he, if he is subject to serious criminal charges?

 

Also what will happen to Tony Windsor and Rob Oakshott?

 

I don't think the next prime minister will be saddled with a hung parliament, so his/her job will be that much easier in the lower house. How many senators will be up for election? What effect will this have on the Greens?

 

We live in interesting times.

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I am wondering what will happen with Craig Thompson? If he is suspended from the Labour Party, then surely he can't stand as their candidate in Dobell? So will he stand as an independent? Can he, if he is subject to serious criminal charges?

 

 

 

Thompson is no longer a member of the Labor party, and someone (maybe Albanese, can't remember) confirmed on Friday that Thompson wouldn't be the Labor candidate for Dobell. He can still run as an independent, but if he is found guilty of the fraud charges and ends up with a sentence of greater than one year he is ineligible to be a member of parliament.

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Talking on TV this morning of Steve Bracks sitting in Roxon's seat, which is spose to be a pretty safe Labor seat. Then supplant Ronald as leader of the party.

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Talking on TV this morning of Steve Bracks sitting in Roxon's seat, which is spose to be a pretty safe Labor seat. Then supplant Ronald as leader of the party.

 

 

Won't that get the affirmative action arm of the party up in the air, replacing a female member with a male one?

 

Odds on that Windsor and possibly Oakshott will decide to spend more time with the familes from September 15. Word is Windsor is really on the nose after selling his farm to some coal seam developers which is a big issue up in his neck of the woods.

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Odds on that Windsor and possibly Oakshott will decide to spend more time with the familes from September 15.

 

 

It's far more likely that their constituents will decide that for them...

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Re Windsor, state Indep MP Richard Torbay is running for Fed Govt against Windsor as a Nationals candidate. Will be interesting, local sentiment seems to be Torbay will roll him, in part due to Windsor support of carbon tax & the coal seam gas farm sale. Coal seam gas is perhaps the No.1 issue here, at least amongst farmers. If you read the Fed Govt Energy White paper, they could have just saved 100+ pages by just writing 3 words on one page - Coal Seam Gas. Feds have pinned our energy future/lowering emissions to CSG from my reading.

 

Oakeshot - no idea, haven't heard boo from him for ages?

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http://www.news.com.au/national/liberals-asylum-seeker-boat-plan-illegal/story-fncynjr2-1226569870756

 

We've got the first LNP policy, and it's a doozie :P. Go into international waters and start turning back boats :S. Abbott and his team must know that boarding another boat in international waters (especially if the boat is flagged under another sovereign nation!) is rather messy business. Apart from the legalities, there surely must be some moral consideration to what they're proposing, which is to essentially turn away "potentially" legitimate asylum seekers without first assessing their legitimacy. I'm all for giving people the boot if they're found to be ineligible to seek refuge, but I'm quite uneasy with turning them away without at least looking at their claim to asylum.

 

I guess this type of policy is how you buy the bogan vote :shit:

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We've got the first LNP policy, and it's a doozie :P. Go into international waters and start turning back boats :S.

 

 

I think you'll find that's been LNP policy for over ten years...

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I guess this type of policy is how you buy the bogan vote :shit:

 

 

No, cash giveaways is how you buy the bogan vote. Both sides are pretty good at that.

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Yes, boarding a boat uninvited in international waters, sounds a bit like piracy to me arrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhhhh :blue_bandana::pirate: . Thanks for the update everyone, pretty much as I suspected. Craig Thompson will cease to a a political issue after the election, as it is hard to see him retaining his seat as an independent. It appears the only people who believe in his innocence are his closest supporters. I also disaprove of the tactics of his lawyer, a little more respect to the custom of sub judice would not go astray.

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Craig Thomson will cease to be an issue because we won't have a party relying on his vote to hold on to power, whether or not he is elected is beside the point.

 

According to the polls it would seem that the reality of having a definitive time frame for an election has already moved public sentiment further against the ALP as often happens when an idea has a prospect of coming to fruition. With Kevvie getting back on Sunrise to garner popular support and a very real threat of political annihilation in September how long until we lose our current PM? And if (when) we do can we look forward to an early election to capitalise on the inexplicably short memories of the general public with reskect to KRudd?

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After the hatchet job his own caucus colleagues did on K Rudd last year, it would be political suicide to re-elect him PM now. It would be an admission the last 4 years were a terrible mistake.

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Desperate times call for desperate measures and I think they're ready to clutch at any straws that come floating their way.

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I think Kev is too smart a politician to allow himself to get voted leader right now. I think he will wait until the decimation at the election and then step in to rebuild, giving himelf 4 years to try and turn things around.

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Kev would take it in a heart beat. Once they're destroyed they have six years to find the next messiah and doubtful would want to eat the $hit pie that would be required to concede their poor judgement. It's soon or never for Kev.

 

I see the wolves are circling the ice queen already.

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Is it a sad day when both party leaders are significantly less popular with the public than others in their own party? I mean, obviously their own party members don't like the way Rudd or Turnbull operate. But it seems to me (now remember, I really don't know crap about politics) that while the Libs should win (comfortably I guess) they could flog it in with turnbull as leader. And with Rudd as leader the L's may at least stave off decimation, heck if he went up against Abbott they could maybe even win.

 

I certainly don't think the Libs need to change anything atm. But will the L party faithful start thinking of survival soon and start flipping on supporting big red?

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It's easy to forget that Turnbull only lost the liberal leadership by one vote - so its not like he doesn't have any supporters internally

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It's easy to forget that Turnbull only lost the liberal leadership by one vote - so its not like he doesn't have any supporters internally

 

 

As I've said before, if Abbott hadn't taken over from Turnbull, Rudd would be nearing the end of his second term and the Liberal party would look like Qld Labor

 

There's no way on God's earth that Turnbull will lead the Libs again

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It's easy to forget that Turnbull only lost the liberal leadership by one vote - so its not like he doesn't have any supporters internally

 

 

The reason it's easy to forget is that even during the last 18 months when the only thing looking like preventing a complete annihilation of the ALP was the publicly unpopular leadership of Tony Abbott there was not even a rumbling from within that they wanted to look seriously at Turnbull. Meanwhile in the ALP there has been nothing but rumour, speculation and general disharmony while Julia still had a comfortable lead over TA as preferred PM. Now she's behind she is a dead woman walking.

 

There would be a few Labor pollies who would be sweating on re-election in order to get their full parliamentary "retirement" benefits. Most of them would be sending out an SOS (save our skin) to Kevvie right now. Look for a change of leadership in the next month followed shortly by an election so that the public only see Kev the electioneer, not Kev the prime minister. There was a reason that he was dumped from the latter role. It's easy to forget just how unpopular he was with the public before he was knifed because Julia is now much worse.

 

It's not about pulling off a miracle win for the ALP any more. It's about individuals saving their seats. A completely different dynamic. And conversely for the Libs it's not about pulling off a win, it's about giving the government no traction to pull anything back.

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Some on the news this morning were saying May election.

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Interesting that even the Greens are dissasociating with Labor. Guess they hope to put up a position to get the votes from those who don't want Abbot but have short memories of their part in this fiasco

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Interesting that even the Greens are dissasociating with Labor. Guess they hope to put up a position to get the votes from those who don't want Abbot but have short memories of their part in this fiasco

 

dissasociating but still providing a vote. Not sure how this is supposed to help Labour and the Greens at the election

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Interesting that even the Greens are dissasociating with Labor.

 

:lol:

 

Sure they are

 

Hell would freeze over before the Greens ever gave confidence and supply to the Liberals...

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Vote liberal and save the endangered mining magnates. I really don't understand the logic could someone please explain. How can we all have multiple houses, cars, and millions of dollars. Where do the resources come from, where do we put all the extra houses, how can we possible generate enough electricity for all these extra suburbs? Isn't a Liberal vote tantamount to Lotto? Only an ass chases the carrot! I think it's the party you should vote for, don't worry about the face.

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Vote liberal and save the endangered mining magnates. I really don't understand the logic could someone please explain. How can we all have multiple houses, cars, and millions of dollars. Where do the resources come from, where do we put all the extra houses, how can we possible generate enough electricity for all these extra suburbs? Isn't a Liberal vote tantamount to Lotto? Only an ass chases the carrot! I think it's the party you should vote for, don't worry about the face.

 

We don't all have multiple houses some people have to rent so that others can have investment properties

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Twatwaffle Sharkbait.

 

The ALP (and Julia Gillard in particular) have done more to help the "endangered mining magnates" (and here's a tip, all the big ones are publicly owned so that's mums, dads, people with superannuation accounts, etc.) than anyone else in the last twenty years. With their mining tax that they hastily cobbled together to make the problem go away they have enabled them to write off the costs of not just new assets but also old ones to the tune of billions of dollars and on top of that they gained protection from future rises in state mining royalties and reduced company tax. The minng companies would be significantly worse off if not for the MRRT.

 

Who would have thought that top notch negotiators being payed massive amounts for their skills would have been able to outsmart a bunch of politicians and public servants who had everything to lose if an agreement couldn't have been reached quickly? I mean FFS, it was always going to end badly. For a start, what do mining companies do when their profits are high? They invest in infrastructure. That's what they always do. Mining companies are not big on dividends to shareholders. So guess what, at the exact time that the companies are earning "super profits" they are going to be building infrastructure to offset/eliminate the MRRT. Anyone with half a brain who has been around or just simply observing the mining industry for more than a couple of years knows that.

 

The only companes that will ever pay more than a miniscule proportion of their profits to this tax will be small companies who can't afford to build even in good times. After all why the hell would you give a red cent to the government when you can spend the money on building your own assets instead? Even if you don't need the asset you are building why would you? Dumb tax, written under dumb circumstances by a bunch of dumb people. If you ever needed more reason as to why these clowns should not be returned (or indeed ever let back into power) then you need look no further than the MRRT.

 

At least the Libs come from free enterprise (or at least have mates there) so they know how the real world works.

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We don't all have multiple houses some people have to rent so that others can have investment properties

 

 

No, you and I can both have investment properties that we rent to each other while we both write off the interest and maintenance costs against our tax bill. If we want multiple investment properties we can rent each other beach houses too. :thumbup:

 

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No, you and I can both have investment properties that we rent to each other while we both write off the interest and maintenance costs against our tax bill. If we want multiple investment properties we can rent each other beach houses too. :thumbup:

 

Edit for speeling

 

we need to talk, does this involve not having a resident tennant?

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Twatwaffle Sharkbait.

 

Yeah nice.

 

But the question I was asking is where do all the resources come from so that we can all live the lifestyle of the rich? I am saying we can't realistically all live that lifestyle, so it is like a lottery. It's my summary of what I believe to be and elitist party manifesto.

 

I admit I probably don't know enough details about the MRRT. But it sound's like your saying that the MRRT has helped all the mums, dads, people with superannuation accounts, etc. Isn't that exactly what you should expect from the Labour party?

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No, it's not like a lottery and it shouldn't be. You work hard and/or smart and you get rewarded. For some people success is money and material things, for others it is happiness or just job satisfaction. The most successful people in any walk of life didn't get there through luck and it's thant kind of victim/fatalist mentality which defeats so many that coulda, shoulda, woulda. Bad luck does happen but it doesn't keep the achievers down any more than it ensures long term success for the couldas. Who says we should all be living the lifestyle of the rich? It's certainly not what the Libs are selling. They are selling the premise that if you work hard you could be living the life of the rich. Not entirely true (you need to work smart and hard) but closer to the truth than the "spreading the wealth" bull$hit the other side sprout.

 

An elitist party would be one that provides more/better for its members and their associates than it does for the normal person who is willing to sacrifice the same. You know, like most communist run countries have had. Or perhaps we can look closer to home for examples, let's try the NSW Labor party. Sorry, did someone say Eddie Obeid? The whole Labor system revolves around great power being in the hands of a small minority. The ALP is the least democratically run party in the country. It doesn't take much to figure it out, just look at how the caucus works and you'll see it plain as day.

 

Anyone who thinks the ALP is the party of the Aussie battler is either ignorant or stupid. The Libs are pro business, no doubt. That doesn't mean they are anti-mr(s) average though. The annual tax take (and therefore goverment spend) is only a small amount of the GDP of Australia. If you grow the GDP through policies that are good for business you automatically increase the tax take (giving the government more to spend on social causes) while at the same time giving those that want to strive a greater opportunity for success. If all you do is tax and spend you stifle growth which also reduces the organic growth of tax revenue, which of course means you need to tax more to keep funding your necessary social policies and so on in an ever descending spiral. Either that or you just borrow money.

 

The Libs aren't perfect by any means and I don't agree with their policies on everything (particularly the few driven by religious or outdated ideology) but the ALP are by nature a deeply flawed organisation and the only way to correct it is to get those in control to freely give up their power. It won't happen in my lifetime.

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I admit I probably don't know enough details about the MRRT. But it sound's like your saying that the MRRT has helped all the mums, dads, people with superannuation accounts, etc. Isn't that exactly what you should expect from the Labour party?

 

 

That's the spirit! The new ALP....helping the little guy by helping the corporates. I wonder how wll that would go down with their traditional supporter base? Next thing you know they'll be advocating industrial reform to make doing business easier. A change of name is probably in order though. The Laborals.

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