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On 09/11/2018 at 4:33 PM, IronJimbo said:

Plenty of water from our own snow melt flows east into the ocean while the Murray is reduced to a trickle

You do know the Snowy actually flows south?

And the Murrumbidgee is a tributary the Murray?

Nothing from our ski fields flows east into the ocean. It's either into the Murray and it's tributaries, or into the Murray/Murrumbidgee via the Snowy Scheme, or a small proportion is released into the Snowy (which now needs more water, not less).

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10 hours ago, IronJimbo said:

A more honest portrayal of my opinion would note that I called for a new study

That is a bit harder for you to ridicule though, so here we are...

On the contrary, it's particularly easy to ridicule.

So you expect all the limiting factors that have long been well understood, either will be found not to actually exist or can be magically overcome by "a new study".

You say there are "smarter people who can work it out", while failing to recognise that the "smarter people" in the relevant fields are the ones who say it's not feasible. You shrug off or ignore all reasoned and informed opinion just as dismissively as you do facts and logic.

Conversely, you keenly support the ideas of people who have little or no knowledge or involvement in the fields relevant to the issue.

You deride environmentalists even though its abundantly documented that environmental damage has been one of the largest problems with the Snowy Mountains Scheme.

You've also proposed taking water from mythical river systems that don't exist.

And you think you're opinion is beyond ridicule?

Keep talking. :wallbash:

 

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Yeah, you're right Paul.  Let's all just rip on each other, that's the best way of solving problems 

I don't recall saying it was definitely viable, just that it seemed to be a good idea.  If it won't work, it won't work 

What's your idea?

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1)  Believe climate change is 100% anthropogenic

2)  Believe it can be halted and reversed

3)  Believe that the rest of the world will follow our lead and not act in their own self-interest

4)  Ride our golden unicorns to candyland

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40 minutes ago, Stikman said:

2)  Believe it can be halted and reversed

3)  Believe that the rest of the world will follow our lead and not act in their own self-interest

Stranger things have happened.

Who'd have thought with all the hoopla around the hole in the ozone layer we'd see it reversing, and now expected to be fully healed & back to normal levels in our life-time.

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Alan Duffy was saying on the ABC about a week ago that at current rate it should be fixed by around 2060.  And isn't it mostly because of the removal of cfc's?  We can actually make a difference.  You just have to believe...

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Funny thing is, it's still there and still significant.  It won't be back to the levels it was pre-panic for about another 40 years at least but somehow we're all quite comfortable with it.  Certain CFCs are still being pumped out in manufacturing plants in third-world countries and thirty years after the first international agreement to limit dangerous substances we are only just getting the twentieth nation to sign up, with many having targets that reach out until 2050.  And this for a substance whose replacement is relatively easily substituted without a huge increase in cost for products primarily used by the world's more affluent residents.  So tell me again how effective we are going to be at reducing emissions of a gas that is a byproduct of a vital component of economic growth, especially for less-developed countries?

Whether you believe in AGW or not, believing in the coming together of nations over it is a fantasy.  It would be easier to believe that it's a conspiracy by developed nations to stifle the growth of their future economic overlords...

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3 hours ago, Stikman said:

Whether you believe in AGW or not, believing in the coming together of nations over it is a fantasy.

And there's the key

China and India have had a taste of relative prosperity, and they appear to like it

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On 16/11/2018 at 5:21 PM, IronJimbo said:

And there's the key

China and India have had a taste of relative prosperity, and they appear to like it

So why don't you just say it instead of dancing around it  ....  that is your reasoning for doing nothing?

It is not a reason to do everything we can to stop human induced global warming!

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That's the point Lawman.  WE as in Australia can't do anything to stop it by ourselves.  In fact the most likely outcome from us mandating action is that we will shift our more troublesome industries to other countries where the damage will be worse than it would have been had we continued to do it.  So ultimately unless everybody is on board (which we know they aren't and won't be) we harm ourselves economically to, at best, achieve nothing in terms of AGW and at worst make it worse.  That's not to say that we should ignore it and do nothing, let's just not be gung-ho idealists.

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On 16/11/2018 at 11:17 AM, Stikman said:

4)  Ride our golden unicorns to candyland

Candyland?

What is their migration policy, I could be interested in moving...... :D

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On 18/11/2018 at 11:29 AM, lawman said:

So why don't you just say it instead of dancing around it  ....  that is your reasoning for doing nothing?

It is not a reason to do everything we can to stop human induced global warming!

Dancing around it?

You haven't read many of my posts, have you?

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