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Hey Chris, good morning, got quite a bit of ground to cover...let's go.

 

1. Chris, I think you just turned 50, and I believe you have been running track, ultra & road races almost continuously since childhood. What's your favourite event, the one you enjoyed doing the most? If it wasn't Triathlon, then how about in the future, Tri or other?

 

2. Mate, I know you did some big races, including the fabled Western States 100, can you tell us about that? Any others you would like to mention, please do.

 

3. Chris. In races like that, you sometimes have to provide your own support crew, how did you work that out? What about family support?

 

4. Chris, being a big bloke, how do you avoid structural injuries running those long distances, or is it unavoidable?

 

5. Chris, any anecdotal stuff, humerous moments, you want to share here? Any time spent with running legend Paul Every?

 

6. Chris, mate, you also did 20 IM's, I wonder, did you ever look ahead about 2 age groups and think....."you know if I could do the kind of times I'm doing now, I could win that thing" Chris we all think like that....does it work out in practice?

 

7. Chris, what has been your best or most satisfying performance?

 

8. Chris, what percentage importance would you assign to each leg over the IM distance eg, Swim 10% etc....

 

9.Chris, you hook up with Gunther and you attend a Grade cricket game.....ump doesn't show and you are asked to stand in....Gunther declines, but you agree. Thers's a wide ball which you call, ball evades the keeper, then strikes a fielder's helmet which is laying on the ground behind the keeper......ball runs away to the boundary. How many runs do you award?

 

10. Tough one wasn't it? Mate, I think you doubled up events on more than one occasion...would you expect the better result from the first event or the second?

 

11. Bonus question.....Chris travelling has always been expensive, but nowadays it is particularly so....in case you think of another overseas trip, how would you justify the expense?

 

Thanks Chris, for your time.

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K2 answers below

 

1. favourite event = Ironman.

With my years of running , I always did gym work for cross training and overall fitness.Now with Ironman , I find the swim/bike plus running training , gives me that same complete fitness.

1.1 The one enjoyed most = Port Mac Ironman, the bike was an adventure,

Matty Flinders hill was a hoot with the crowd, and the run was the best and with 5k to go and coming over the crest of Flynn's Beach , seeing all Port Mac in found of you and off to the left you can see the while lights of the finish and the pa echoing across the town.

1.2 The future = More Ironman, I like the lifestyle and it is easy motivation for Training.

 

2. I did my first road marathon in 1980 and enjoyed the long running training,

1981 I did the Sydney to Wollongong 50 miler.When "Deeks" won the 1982 Brisbane Commonwealth Games marathon ,

they were heaps of marathons around. Ultras were picking up too.

In 1983 I did the Manly 100 miler in 17 hrs 50 and third place, Easter Saturday 6.00pm start, you run allnight 410 laps of the grass Union oval, it rained all night.

This was my first big track Ultra and first person to shake my hand was the winner Cliff Young.

One month later Cliff ran into history with the winning Westfield Sydney to Melbourne run.

I did the Victorian 50 Miler in June ( a month later ) and saw Cliffy again . He was a celebrity now !!!

I was now doing lots of marathons and ran as a nun with Ian Hutchison to promote the Manly Running Shop , The Runnery owned by George Fitzgerald.

In 1984 , at the Parramatta 50k track ( I did a 3.49 ), Ian Hutchinson asked me to come a run a track in the mountains as it was being reopened on its 100th birthday.

So on 24th March 1984 , the Six Foot Track was opened and 7 runners ran it.Hutch then organised the event every year after, I was secretary and later on organiser.

I was running with the Billy's Bushies on a Saturday morning and alot of them where doing the triathlons also.

The triple M Ironman was hosted in Manly ( 1983 ? ) which I went and watched, I was interested , but still I was

very much into the Ultra running.AURA ( Australian Ultra Running Assoc ) was established in Melb, I was the NSW delegate.

I was employed by Charlie Lynn as a Race Official for the Westfield Run which was a great experience.I got to run the last 50k with the winners.

I got to know and see the greatest Ultra runners of the world as they came here to run the event.

I did my third Manly 100 Miler in 1985 ( Easter Sat ) and then two weeks later went up to watch the first Forster Ironman.

I unofficially ran the marathon with a friend ( no pacing ), it was great to run out to Pacific Palms and return

with all the flood lights on the corners (something like Port Mac Ironman , this year )

I then took over the organising of Bathurst 50 Miler, and turned it to a 100k.This was a great course and I had many

great moments and witness great runners do this event.The late Bryan Smith from Meltone, Vic would be the stand out athlete.To be out the back of the event at 90k and see Bryan

hammer past picking up the pace, truly inspirational.

I kept doing marathons and Ultras, my best year I did 27 marathons/Ultras.

About 1989, my good friend Grahame Kerriush ( Mountain Man ) was stacking up the marathons and made me aware of his intentions

to get to the 100 marathons. We worked out it would be in 1991 and with me doing some with Grahame we could do our 100th together

at the Cities 1991.So sometimes it was just MM and me driving all over the place to the country marathons.

We did our 100th together, MM kept going and did his 300th at Kempsey Marathon 2005.I'm at 153 marathons and 52 Ultras.

I was becoming more interested in Ironman and then one day, the late Billy Stafford asked me to join him to go and do the Japan Ironman.

he thought with all my ultra running ,I could do it easy.I declined but joined Billy in training for the Forster Ironman 1994, they were great times.

Billy also did the NZ Ironman and wanted me to do that one too.As I was the organsier of the Six Track Marathon, it was always on the same weekend.

My friend, Kevin Tiller from Sydney Striders and webmaster of Coolrunning.com.au took over orgainsing the marathon

and taken to new heights. This allowed me to go to the NZ ironman which did 2001-2005, I miss this year, but am going back in 2007.

 

3. Support crew . I have some great friends that have helped me during the

running events and had some great laughs and times.

I have crewed twice at the Colac Six Day Track, it was always great fun.

But I could not do or be able to train for Ironman

without my wife, the lovely June.

She comes to every event I do and always gets a kiss during the run.

When I finally run down that Kona finish chute , I will have June with me.

 

4. Structural Injuries

Two years ago, Nike running specialists did a motion study of me. They could

see I have good running stride without any inherent weaknesses.

Pronation perfect.

When I was in Little Aths at 8 years old, I was told by the track coach, if you

want to be a runner who reaches his full potential, do not play football, squash,

judo etc .

These impact sports will create injuries which will not allow you to run at your

optimum.

I have always rotated shoes and always worn Nike Air runners.I stretch alot.

I have a weekly massage for one hour on just my legs.

I have hot baths after events.

 

5. Lots of stories

Once there was one time of 4 marathons ( 2 marathons one weekend -

Sat/Sun ), 2 marathons on the next two weekends,

the next weekend was the Sydney to Wollongong 50 Miler.Now there was Dave

Taylor,Maurice Taylor and Kevin Mansell and I doing the whole lot.

At 40 miles into the event at the top of Bulli, I ran up on these other three and

for a couple of moments we all shook hands and hugged and then took off with

the run.

It was one moment in time I cherish.

 

One time when Grahame Kerrish and I were doing the marathon circuit, we had another runner with us Kenny Engersaw.Saturday Midnight ,we drove down to the Canberrra for the Canberra Marathon, arrived at the start, have an hour's sleep , get up and run the marathon, then back in the car to Sydney.

Grahame was driving, I was in the passenger's seat, Kenny was in the back asleep.

Then all of a sudden , Kenny starts screaming and trying to get in the front and grabbing the wheel.

After a couple of punches and pushes , I had he back in the back seat.

What had happened, Kenny was dreaming he was driving the car, woke up , found he was in the back seat and panicked and

tried to get in the front to drive the car !!!!!!!

We concluded that Kenny had a bad case of marathonitists.

 

Paul Every,we have spent alot of time together on those 24 track events, you

just can't get away from each other.

Paul was always great to run with, I have seen Paul having great events , but

when he was having a bad one ( not many ) the true champion would show thru,

he would tuff it out, he aint no quitter, true Ultraman.

 

 

6. Age groups .

I do look forward , If I hold these times to next age group , I could "Podium".

Or event better , if I had a sex change I would win my age group now !!!!

Next year I am in the 50-54, so although I am older, I am training smarter and

hope is great motivater.

 

 

7. Manly 100 Miler 1984 , 15 hours 49 minutes

I was well trained for it and went well from the start.There was a guy who I wanted to beat and actually had some heated words before the start with him.

We got to 40 Miles and he was right behind me on the same lap.I picked up the pace and he did to, my crew knew what was happening and were feeding me per 3 laps, the other guy held on to me.

I thought I would keep the pace up to 50 miles, but I was starting to feel bad.

My crew could see me struggling, they said all the colour was going from my face.

I could see them looking concerned.

This guy hanged in , he was still right behind me.

It was one of those defining moments, were you define the moment or the

moment defines you.

I thought hold on, you have done the training, trust your training ,do not give

up, never give up.

I kept running to 50 miles, I could feel the pop rivets in the superstructure rattling !!!

50 miles came , we were both still running , I'll give another four lapes.

Then I couldn't hear him behind me, then coming around the next lap, he was

walking.

Good, I stick another lap into him, then next lap, he was pulling out out of the

event.

I slowed slightly back to my 2.17 laps , as the laps went on I felt better and

stronger.

60 miles,70,80,90 , I felt great.

Sunrise came and the day got warmer, the last ten miles was very satisfying

and I finished third 15 hours 49 minutes.

 

 

8. Swim 5% , I like swimming for the overall fitness , agility it gives you.

But if get out of the water in 65 minutes , I'm happy.

The bike 50% , for a big guy I can make the most improvement and time.

The run 45%, getting off the bike well and wanting to run well is the number

one priority.

 

 

9. wide + 4 = 5 runs

 

 

10 Doing the Anzac Double Ironman ( NZ + OZ IM ), I should do a better NZ,

but I have really haven't had a good NZ yet, which then means 4 weeks later I do have a good one at OZ.

For IMNZ07, it will be different ( yea, yea ) , training will start in Dec 2006 and I have sorted my nutrition out.

 

 

11. justify the expense ? It ain't an expense , it is an investment

 

Ironman is an adventure and lifestyle , you are dead for long time and

the party is now, it is a shame to waste it.

 

Cheers

 

BC

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Great stuff Big Guy!

 

Been a pleasure racing and training with you for the last few years!

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Big Chris; what an absolute inspiration you are. Fantastic record. Will you be the first man ever to run 100 marathons, 100 ultras and complete 100 IM's?

 

Have you ever thought of that?

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great questions K and replies Mr Chris.. great inspiration for us all, and thanks for always taking time to chat at events and around the traps mate.

 

happy training..

 

Giz

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BC, great answers & history to your ultra mara adventures. Seriously awesome.

It's hard to imagine doing all those running races. I read an amazing account of the Western States 100 miler in an ultra US mag, one race i doubt i will sign up for just sounds so intense.

 

No doubt with all your racing background & enthusiasm for triathlon now you will have your ticket to Kona soon.

 

The Port IM bike course, yes that was an adventure!

 

Enjoy the winter training in the Shire mate, i might have to get down that way for a change of bike rides soon.

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Wowsers!

 

Thanks for taking the time to give that kinda detail. VERY inspiring. Great to see you're only just getting into it too.

 

When I grow up, I wanna be just like BC :lol:

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I must say that was awesome, I honestly never realised it would go that deep.

 

Q9. 5 runs for hitting the equipment...+4 wides=9, however ball is called dead once it hits the equipment so 5+1 wide......another opinion also welcomed, because dead ball is not dead until it comes to rest...anyone?

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Hey kids, I'm away on business for a week, although I may be viewing the forum, I will not be putting up the 10 Q's during this time. Meantime anyone can do it, just get your subject to be on line in the AM, it works better that way.

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11. justify the expense ? It ain't an expense , it is an investment

 

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Nice, I like that BC. Was a pleasure to meet you at IMNZ a couple of years ago, even if just for 2 mins. More power to ya mate :lol:

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Thanks guys for the kind comments....

 

You guys inspire me , its a great brother/sister hood to be in.

 

We are in for the long haul.

 

Kind regards BC

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Wow :lol:

 

When I grow up, I wanna be just like BC :lol:

 

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Me too :D

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YOU ARE A TRUE STAR AND A GENTLEMAN!

 

 

:lol:

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BC, what a great chap you are. I can say it's always been a pleasure when our paths have crossed training and racing.

 

Very interesting comments regarding running and injuries, as one of the original 7 (and as a bushie) you no doubt know Maxy the hun, who has had both knees done now I think and he is what conventional wisdom would dictate is a runner's build. I think staying away from impact sports helped but but being blessed with good biomechanics in the first place is a gift.

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Bugger Me! What a machine. Nice to get the background on a unique character.

 

Inspiration to beer drinkers and salad dodgers everywhere.

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I must say that was awesome, I honestly never realised it would go that deep.

 

Q9. 5 runs for hitting the equipment...+4 wides=9, however ball is called dead once it hits the equipment so 5+1 wide......another opinion also welcomed, because dead ball is not dead until it comes to rest...anyone?

 

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This is correct.

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Dead set legend - am so priveleged just to have been able to share one miniscule moment of your career mate.

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BC, Good on ya mate,

 

This year having you race past me on the finish line still hurts a bit I thought I had you. :lol::lol:

Always great to see you at races with that smile. :D

 

Keep it up mate at 50 still many years left in ya.

 

Brick

:D

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In reading that you have 1 major issue. Your friendship with Roxi.

 

Great stuff for someone from the shire.

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Great responses Chris. You have brought back some wonderful memories.

 

I was now doing lots of marathons and ran as a nun with Ian Hutchison to promote the Manly Running Shop , The Runnery owned by George Fitzgerald.

 

 

Bloody ugly nuns you 2 were as well :lol:

 

All hairy legs and bushy moustaches :D

 

One time when Grahame Kerrish and I were doing the marathon circuit, we had another runner with us Kenny Engersaw.Saturday Midnight ,we drove down to the Canberrra for the Canberra Marathon, arrived at the start, have an hour's sleep , get up and run the marathon, then back in the car to Sydney.

Grahame was driving, I was in the passenger's seat, Kenny was in the back asleep.

Then all of a sudden , Kenny starts screaming and trying to get in the front and grabbing the wheel.

After a couple of punches and pushes , I had he back in the back seat.

What had happened, Kenny was dreaming he was driving the car, woke up , found he was in the back seat and panicked and tried to get in the front to drive the car !!!!!!!

 

 

I remember this! You guys gave me a lift back from Canberra. Mountain Man had just taken the freeway exit to Liverpool and the road curved round a bend and over the freeway. Kenny woke to see an embankment through the windscreen as the road curved to the right. He really freaked ... I hope the seat covers were washable.

 

The marathon this was after was the NCDIYNM - the National Capital Do It Yourself Nocturnal Marathon. The race started about 9 o'clock on the Saturday evening closest to the full moon. Race director, Brian Lenton, provided nothing except an accurate time over an accurate course. One mile out and back 13 times on the bike path plus 385 yards. No entry fee, no drinks, no awards, no lap counts and no lights. At least you had the full moon if it wasn't overcast.

 

Unfortunately that year, it was overcast. I recall running blindly in the leading pack at about 4 min/km along the unlit bike path. When the runners in front swerved, everyone behind them followed suit to avoid being impaled on a post in the middle of the path. One of the leading guys leapt over an unseen obstacle causing the rest of us to perform a panicked hurdle which rippled through the pack Mexican wave style. The smartarse copped some abuse when we realised he jumped over a phantom hazard.

 

I bailed at 14 miles and went off for a night's sleep before an ODT triathlon the next day. I remember catching up with you after the tri and asking how you went. I think you ran about 3:30. You said "After Mountain Man finished at about 1:30 a.m., we just sat around the lake talking ultra crap until the sun came up." You might not have officially been an Ironman then, but you had certainly earned the title.

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Manly 100 Miler 1984 , 15 hours 49 minutes

 

WOW !!! That is mind blowing.

 

Chris,

You're record of achievements and your ability to compete in the toughest of events over such a long time make you the epitomy of an endurance athlete and you're a great bloke to!!. It is an honour to know you.

 

I'll be happy to be going half as good as you at 50 too.

 

Cheers

Steve

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Chris,

 

Sub 16 hours is pretty classy for 100 miles. Plenty of ultra runners post respectable times/distances at 50 years of age. Why do we see so little of you in the ultra scene these days? I'd imagine with all the miles in your legs it would be fairly easy to pop a few good ultras off ironman training.

 

Are there still any ultra races that are on your 'to do' list? Comrades? Spartathlon? Badwater?

 

Paul

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Hey BC

 

Great answers and anecdotes and Paul's post script paints an interesting picture.

 

Looking forward as always to catching up with you at South West Rocks for the marathon this weekend (I'm assuming you'll be there as always).

 

The Westies will be there in force as usual including Mountain Man to continue the tradition and listen to more crap-on about running, ultra's, ironman and amazing feats by ordinary men :lol:

 

I can just taste the beer and fish and chips :D:lol:

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Great questions and some fine stories here folks..... BC you're a living legend.......

and June is a fantastic support crew mate..... you are blessed. :lol:

 

 

regards Frog

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Some great reading there Big Fella. Thankfully you weren't pissed when you replied or you would have talked for bloody ever.

 

You did miss one story though. A certain train ride home when you were absolutely smashed. I couldn't shut you up and the other people in the bottom section must have been wondering what (not who) the hell you were. And what happens on tour stays on tour. :lol:

 

Take care Big Fella.

 

Cheers

Jemmo

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To Paul Every.....

 

That "Kenny with marathonitists" story , sorry I didn't mention you , I couldn't

remember if it was you or Bobby "Flying" Fickle ( similiar hairy face bastard ).

 

Events to do ?

Spartathlon . Max Bogenhuber's brother Fred ( lives in Frisco) and his wife Edith said anytime I want to do it , they would crew for me.Edith speaks Greek and knows Greece well.I gotta work out when.

 

Marathon de Sables , Morocco . I watched that event grow over the 21 years

and have a good friend do it 5 years ago, and this is my event !!! ( same time as IMOZ)

 

and back to Ultrarunning, I would like to, I see from the events results that some of the Westfield era old school are still going .Stan Miskin ( 80 year old ) is still going !!!

I have to get that Kona monkey off my back first.

 

To Goodcatch ...

June long weekend = Marathon , beer , fish and chips and "talking alot of ultra crap" .... every year.

 

Cheers BC

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Spartathlon or Marathon de Sable? I'm sure June deserves a few weeks holiday lounging 'round the Greek Isles or working on her tan in the Sahara. :lol:

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BC, To get the Kona monkey off your back have you considered some of the easier races to qualify? With 70 slots I'm tipping China to have that potential, at least in the first year.

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Firthymiester,

 

Thanks for the invite , it would be a hoot, but I'm already locked into IMNZ07.

 

I think you have a hidden agenda , I think you are not Stephen Firth but.........

 

Yoshiaki MIURA

 

after looking at the results of the Nepean Triathlon in 2005 ----> Click me

 

the person in 21st position is Yoshiaki MIURA from KANAGAWA

( which is the way a Chinese gentleman would say "Kanangra" )

 

The game is up , come out Yoshy

 

BC :lol:

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Guest Gimili

BC

 

Probably hard to compare let alone answer, but how would rate the Six Foot Track marathon in terms of difficulty/ toughness over a normal marathon?

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gimli9,

 

Normally add a hour to your road marathon time.

6 foot is tough as there is steep ups and downs.

If you review the profile map http://www.sixfoot.com then Maps / Course profile

 

you can see the second half (from the Cox'x river ) goes up the MiniMini Saddle

( steep ) ,then down . then up to the Pluviometer ( steep bits ).

Then for 8 km is a deceptive up again to the Caves road.

The last 3 km down to the finish is "down", so you need some quads left for this bit.

 

If you doing it for next year, check out sixfoot.com , there are lots of info for training.

Most people start specific training after Xmas/New year. ( a good 9 weeks )

 

The best way to do it is to book accomodation at Caves House for the Friday/Sat package ( this comes out when entries are out , ( approx december , I think - check with Kevin Tiller Race organiser ).So take the friday off , drive to Caves House, good night sleep , then they run a coach up to the start. Do the event , finish , good hot shower, drinks in the afternoon , dinner etc, drive home Sunday.

 

The major reason the event is on Saturday , so you guys and gals can have a big night after !!!!!!. Then go home on the Sunday

 

Good luck, you will love it !!!

 

BC

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how would rate the Six Foot Track marathon in terms of difficulty/ toughness over a normal marathon?

 

Think Kurnell vs. Ironman

 

Hills like you aint seen hills

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Hey Chris could you tell the one about escorting Yiannis Kouros to the finish of the Sydney Melb ultra.

 

One of my fave tales and gives us an idea of how fast he really was.

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Guest Gimili
how would rate the Six Foot Track marathon in terms of difficulty/ toughness over a normal marathon?

 

Think Kurnell vs. Ironman

 

Hills like you aint seen hills

 

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I know the terrain quite well, families been on Caves Rd for 150 years which is one of the reasons I wouldn't mind running it, was just trying to get my head round running long (marathon) v running long on this. ie is 45k here sort of like running 65k or you just can't compare it. I know it takes longer, I guess it's a gut feeling answer I'm lookin for from someone that has done both which I think I got from BC - as long as youve done the work, you will love it. I've never run a marathon so conscious I would need to fit a qualifying event in somewhere between now and race date, and somehow have to fit that in without sacrificing some halfs/ long courses and IM if I qualify. Six foot is early March, IM is April 1.

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