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Two races of 6 people, of average talent. How exciting.......

 

TC - come back in 24 months and let's talk about the why these events were success/failures

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Don't get it. First they state this:

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Super League Triathlon is an innovative sports entertainment product that shifts the sport of triathlon from a participation sport to sport that has appeal to active communities and general sports fans alike. Using innovation in course design, media and event formats, Super League Triathlon is world class sport, but its more than that. It’s entertainment. 

Which I don't really agree with anyway. I think the format was fairly complex for someone that follows triathlon let alone someone who doesn't. Quite how that translates to having a wider appeal to 'active communities' and 'general sports fans' is a mystery to me.  I like the innovation, I liked the commentary on the bike from McEwan, I liked a lot of it. However, IMO it's still a quantum leap away from the appeal they are touting above  (at least at this point).

Then they go on to state this:

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Finally, we are also working on an exciting Age Group Series and Youth Series connected to future Super League Triathlon Championship events, as well as stand-alone Super League Age Group events, with participation opportunities for all. These events are focused on accessible distances that can be raced multiple times in a season. Combined with incredible spectating opportunities, Super League Triathlon Championship events will become a true multisport festival. We are working with innovative technology partners, venues and sponsors to bring that to you.

So they are 'moving the sport on from participation' by creating a participation series.:huh:

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Is now a good time to copyright the term "tri-fondo" :lol: 

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I caught up today with a legend of the surf ironman arena from way back. we got chatting etc and he was asking all about the series and he loved watching etc just like the old st george  and blue series. 

we started talking old names etc and how fast they were. 

My opinion was in today's world .only Brad would podium if not still win but only in that style of format .

no old pro would even get close to these guys now in itu olympic distance .

They All swim like Benji now and if your not running 30min flat or quicker see ya later.

My gut felling is Brad was so farrking quick over the 300m swim after ride ..transition etc he could take down those skinny jean wearing punks!.

 I could be wrong .. but that would be a first.... hahaha

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I think Miles would still be there. He had a hell of a kick, and in these short races would have used it well.

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Courtney as well - a better F1 type athlete than Olympic distance IMO

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3 hours ago, oldschool69#2 said:

I caught up today with a legend of the surf ironman arena from way back. we got chatting etc and he was asking all about the series and he loved watching etc just like the old st george  and blue series. 

we started talking old names etc and how fast they were. 

My opinion was in today's world .only Brad would podium if not still win but only in that style of format .

no old pro would even get close to these guys now in itu olympic distance .

They All swim like Benji now and if your not running 30min flat or quicker see ya later.

My gut felling is Brad was so farrking quick over the 300m swim after ride ..transition etc he could take down those skinny jean wearing punks!.

 I could be wrong .. but that would be a first.... hahaha

Think You are underestimating this generation of top guys, they run sub 30's off the bike and  the top few would be capable of flat 10k somewhere in the 28's I think.

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Definitely in olympic and sprint distance it would be daylight the guys now are way quicker.

But I just think in the F1 format and over 2k on the run he would be half a shot at top 3 .

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22 minutes ago, oldschool69#2 said:

Definitely in olympic and sprint distance it would be daylight the guys now are way quicker.

But I just think in the F1 format and over 2k on the run he would be half a shot at top 3 .

Dunno, these guys are faster than we realise over these short distances also, Birtwhistle on the all athletes web page, shows would been running close to 4 min mile as a 17 year old. That is pretty quick.

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A STATEMENT FROM SUPER LEAGUE TRIATHLON'S MANAGING DIRECTOR, MICHAEL D'HULST

A STATEMENT FROM SUPER LEAGUE TRIATHLON’S MANAGING DIRECTOR, MICHAEL D’HULST

Singapore (March 30, 2017) – Super League Triathlon is an innovative sports entertainment product that shifts the sport of triathlon from a participation sport to sport that has appeal to active communities and general sports fans alike. Using innovation in course design, media and event formats, Super League Triathlon is world class sport, but its more than that. It’s entertainment. 

Super League Triathlon focuses on creating sporting superstars of our athletes and highlighting their stories and personalities to the public. We’re committed to placing the world’s best professional athletes back where they belong, on a pedestal, as heroes to a generation of fans and athletes. We’ll build the Super League Triathlon brand around them.

We’re engaging these superstars in ever-changing and dynamic formats around the core elements of swim, bike and run to deliver a leading, and unpredictable, sports entertainment product that engages and creates conversation among fans. As Super League Triathlon grows we will roll out multiple tiers with the Super League Triathlon Championship League featuring the best-of-the-best, battling it out for season contracts and against a tough relegation system. We are committed to creating pathways into the Championship League via a Qualifying League for aspiring professionals worldwide.

Launching a new product is no mean feat and requires strong leadership, financial support and the tireless talent and skills of an incredible team. It also requires difficult decisions to be made. Sometimes the decisions made are not popular among all. We are aware of the criticism from some regarding no women’s racing at the showcase event at Super League Hamilton Island. I re-affirm our commitment to a women’s Championship League when the first season proper of Super League Triathlon is conducted.

With a unique understanding of professional athletes and the sport of triathlon the decision to conduct the inaugural Super League Triathlon shortly after Olympic cycle was no coincidence. Same goes for athletes wanting to pursue their 2017 long course goals. Super League Triathlon is genuinely focused on our star athletes and is here to innovate the sport, not to disrupt it. We have the utmost respect for both ITU and the Ironman brand and abide by ITU governance.

To deliver the showcase event at the optimal time we were very fortunate to get access to one of the most beautiful spots on the planet, and the full support of the very professional staff of Hamilton Island. Super League Hamilton Island was all about showcasing what we are about and giving the world a taste of what is to come. A proof of concept if you will. Multiple days of racing, exciting and unpredictable formats, putting athletes and characters first, providing value to sponsors and venues, and utilising all modern media through high quality footage and providing full access with social media. 

We are very happy with the support we’ve received from the triathlon community and are motivated that all our hard work is appreciated. We nurture the constructive feedback many gave us. Super League Triathlon is very much a start-up made possible with the support and guidance of a few motivated and passionate individuals wanting to give back to the sport and invite everybody to step up and help us.

We’re committed to creating a global brand and bringing Super League Triathlon closer to you. Right now we are working on further venues, fine tuning formats and talking with partners to support the professional league. It is our intention to conduct more races between October 2017 and March 2018 as the first season proper of the Super League Triathlon Championship. This will include racing for female and male professionals. We’re making great strides on a Qualifier series for professional athletes keen to qualify for our Championship League.

Finally, we are also working on an exciting Age Group Series and Youth Series connected to future Super League Triathlon Championship events, as well as stand-alone Super League Age Group events, with participation opportunities for all. These events are focused on accessible distances that can be raced multiple times in a season. Combined with incredible spectating opportunities, Super League Triathlon Championship events will become a true multisport festival. We are working with innovative technology partners, venues and sponsors to bring that to you.

Please stay tuned, sign up for our newsletters, visit our website and tune in on social media. There’s much more to come over the following months.

 

 

 

They should buy Kurnell, its on it last legs looking at the entries/ results. 

It needs to be super leagued.

#maketriathlongreatagain

 

 

Edited by Oompa Loompa
I typed entries wrong

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Brad Beven three silvers at world champs and 4 ITU overall series wins. Dominant in the original super league format:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_ITU_Triathlon_World_Championships

http://www.triathlon.org/results/result/2016_itu_world_triathlon_grand_final_cozumel/281501

The change over the years is mainly the swimming ability of the current crop. Hard to say if Beven and the rest could have gotten their swims to this level, given the focus on bringing elite swimmers to triathlon, but the certainly hold up with their run and bike times

 

Edited by BarryBevan

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18 hours ago, oldschool69#2 said:

I caught up today with a legend of the surf ironman arena from way back. we got chatting etc and he was asking all about the series and he loved watching etc just like the old st george  and blue series. 

we started talking old names etc and how fast they were. 

My opinion was in today's world .only Brad would podium if not still win but only in that style of format .

no old pro would even get close to these guys now in itu olympic distance .

They All swim like Benji now and if your not running 30min flat or quicker see ya later.

My gut felling is Brad was so farrking quick over the 300m swim after ride ..transition etc he could take down those skinny jean wearing punks!.

 I could be wrong .. but that would be a first.... hahaha

None of yesteryear would get near today. Time moves on, today's generation will always improve on the previous generation, the race evolves. 

Even in cricket terms, I'm not sure Bradman would even cut it today, he struggled with touring,  and the schedule of today and the media would have played with his mind. 

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Barry think you'll find its the run where the big difference is now .these guys have learnt to convert there pure run speed fresh to not be that much different when they run off the bike.they are all bloody amazing in my book .

Brad could crack out a 4.30ish 400 in the pool his swimming wouldn't have been a problem over 300 fresh and definitely under fatigue. 

Yes olympic distance totally different and would loose a bit of time To Benji and Walto but mainly Benji would push out a 30 plus second gap on the pack and the young ones now all swim like Benji.

Just seen the link you put up Perth was short on the run that year.

When macca was having a crack at London he was running just as quick as the old days and getting smoked I remember him saying how in awe he was of the brownlees and how bloody fast they are . 

But im only suggesting in the F1 format .

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8 minutes ago, oldschool69#2 said:

Barry think you'll find its the run where the big difference is now .these guys have learnt to convert there pure run speed fresh to not be that much different when they run off the bike.they are all bloody amazing in my book .

Brad could crack out a 4.30ish 400 in the pool his swimming wouldn't have been a problem over 300 fresh and definitely under fatigue. 

Yes olympic distance totally different and would loose a bit of time To Benji and Walto but mainly Benji would push out a 30 plus second gap on the pack and the young ones now all swim like Benji.

Just seen the link you put up Perth was short on the run that year.

When macca was having a crack at London he was running just as quick as the old days and getting smoked I remember him saying how in awe he was of the brownlees and how bloody fast they are . 

But im only suggesting in the F1 format .

Needless to say but I will anyway, if we had the way back time machine it would be great to see.  

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1 hour ago, Oompa Loompa said:

None of yesteryear would get near today. Time moves on, today's generation will always improve on the previous generation, the race evolves. 

Even in cricket terms, I'm not sure Bradman would even cut it today, he struggled with touring,  and the schedule of today and the media would have played with his mind. 

Yeah Bradman would have only averaged 80 or so. Bradman was mentally stronger than any other player in the history of the game.  He was into mental disintegration 50 years before Steve Waugh 

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I've seen Brad put down a 4.15 400M in the pool. He'd easily find the fast feet, if not better, in Super League Triathlon.

Macca was not running as fast in 2012 over the Olympic distance as he was in his prime - but was probably within 50 seconds (i.e. 5 seconds per km) of what he could do in his best races 1997-2001. The Brownlees and Gomez were another 5 seconds per km faster again. The real struggle for Macca in his Olympic comeback was that he could only swim around 18.30 for 1500M - fast enough to find the fast feet and get into the lead bunch on the bike back in his heyday but just not good enough now. Back in the day there used to be 2 or 3 17 minute swimmers (like Croc) but now half the field can do that or better ...

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Maybe Perth was not the best race to use. While the running has gotten faster the swim seems to be the main difference. But back in the 90's the race was what it was the uber specialist swimmers had not come across yet.

Willing to bet that croc, Miles etc would have changed their training to meet the swim demands of today and their bike and run times suggest they could have handled the pace.

Croc was dominant in the F1 format and if not for Lessing and Smith (huge ?) he is a multiple ITU world champ. Circa 1993 Croc and Miles would have gone just fine

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5 hours ago, BarryBevan said:

Brad Beven three silvers at world champs and 4 ITU overall series wins. Dominant in the original super league format:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_ITU_Triathlon_World_Championships

http://www.triathlon.org/results/result/2016_itu_world_triathlon_grand_final_cozumel/281501

The change over the years is mainly the swimming ability of the current crop. Hard to say if Beven and the rest could have gotten their swims to this level, given the focus on bringing elite swimmers to triathlon, but the certainly hold up with their run and bike times

 

I disagree, the run is the biggest difference now, just the courses are more accurate 10k now with better measuring technology. Ask any of the older guys who are into coaching, seeing what these guys actually can do, they will tell you they would have had no hope of running the times these guys do.

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With today's:

 

Technology

Equipment

Training

Nutrition & Suppliments

Dare I say it, drugs

 

Who knows what the guys from the 90's could do if they were coming through now?

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9 minutes ago, Ex-Hasbeen said:

With today's:

 

Technology

Equipment

Training

Nutrition & Suppliments

Dare I say it, drugs

 

Who knows what the guys from the 90's could do if they were coming through now?

prob more widespread drugs in the 90's actually.

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