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So the whole idea of this thread is to say look at how bad they are over there, thank god we have only the second worst faith in the world and while there are others worse, we don't have to worry about improving our own?

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Re: the Buddhists. You should have a look at what's happening over in Burma - more specifically, what the Buddhist majority is doing to the ethnic Rohingyan minority (who are Muslims)...

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Well I agree with the capital of Afghanistan. Islamisbad.

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A common defence of Islam is comparing it with KKK, or other religions, or putting the blame on 'man'.

 

But Islam says it is the last and final religious solutions. And it preaches to its followers to take over of the world. Although all religions are the same in their level of falseness, christianity never made such claims.

 

It just needs a cursory glance at the news to see which is the most toxic in modern day.

 

Scholar of the Koran are we now? Good for you. Don't stop there - what else does it say to support your theories?

 

I bet it doesn't say anything about love, peace or respect or any other of that exclusively Christian stuff.

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Yeah yeah, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

 

If you can't present your argument without redefining the topic though, what does that suggest about it's strength?

I'm not redefining the topic. I'm saying context is required in order to justify a claim based on biases and selective use of the available information.

 

I'm happy to stand corrected when presented with factual statistics to justify your standpoint.

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Scholar of the Koran are we now? Good for you. Don't stop there - what else does it say to support your theories?

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I bet it doesn't say anything about love, peace or respect or any other of that exclusively Christian stuff.

The Koran is a much shorter simpler book than the Bible, which is full of contradictions.

Sure it has some messages about being nice to other Muslims but unlike the bible it has a clear central message of going out and dominating the world. It also has Taqiyya a caveat that Muslims are permitted to lie if they are speaking with non-Muslims (infidels).

 

If you ignore the Old Testament as most Christians do then Jesus preached love and peace.

 

Mohamed was an illiterate warlord who began over 60 battles in his life all of which he won. Not to mention taking a 6 year old for a bride.

 

The point of this thread and this discussion in general is to have people become more aware of the problems with Islam and not just write off any criticism on the topic or wave away problems with Islam as if they are the same as everywhere and every other religious struggle.

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For anyone who's actually interested in learning more you can start with this site. Then go and do more research like I did since I never like to get all my info from a single source lest it be biased. I realise some people like to defend what they see as the attacks by some on Islam but just do some research and if nothing else you will come away with a much better understanding of this religion, how it started, and how it has grown.

 

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/site/about-site.aspx

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If you are interested in seeing what life is like through the eyes of a woman living in a Muslim country, check out instagram @G_TRAINS_TRI

 

If you are interested in seeing into the mind of dangerous, evangelical nutter, spreading hatred and intolerance about countries he has never actually been to, check out https://twitter.com/bcolless

 

 

I was brought up in the Church of England. From the age of 12 I firmly decided I was an atheist. My close circle of friends and partner are Muslims. I see very little difference between Christianity and Islam, based on my real life experience. When my Muslim friends tell me stories from the Qoran, they are same fables I learnt from the Bible. The values are all the same.

 

Choose whatever you want to occupy your mind - it's your life. I don't choose irrational thoughts based on paranoia and fear. That way, the world is much better place.

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To me, religion is all the same, just degrees of difference - moreso in some than others.

 

I find that being a good bloke and respecting the beliefs of everyone - whether they believe in pixies at the bottom of the garden or an imaginary friend or whatever - is the way we should ALL behave. As far as I am concerned, religion is the interpretation of what someone may (or may not) have said / done 2,000 or more years ago and the various interpretations of that since. Some of them really, really warped!

 

Believe in what you want ... I choose not to.

 

It also frees up your weekends and you can dispense with things like irrational guilt.

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If you are interested in seeing what life is like through the eyes of a woman living in a Muslim country, check out instagram @G_TRAINS_TRI

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If you are interested in seeing into the mind of dangerous, evangelical nutter, spreading hatred and intolerance about countries he has never actually been to, check out https://twitter.com/bcolless

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I was brought up in the Church of England. From the age of 12 I firmly decided I was an atheist. My close circle of friends and partner are Muslims. I see very little difference between Christianity and Islam, based on my real life experience. When my Muslim friends tell me stories from the Qoran, they are same fables I learnt from the Bible. The values are all the same.

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Choose whatever you want to occupy your mind - it's your life. I don't choose irrational thoughts based on paranoia and fear. That way, the world is much better place.

I'm not sure I would call Niseko an advocate for Christianity...

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One of the challenges facing females in Muslim countries is FGM. It's difficult to get figures for UAE, but it seems to be reasonably prevalent. There is certainly a strong correlation between FGM and Islamic countries.

It makes sense that the mindset in these countries is that females are possessions. Passed from the father to the husband with little choice in the matter. Often in pre-pubescence. (And people want to get outraged on TriSutto but they don't raise a peep on this.... :shock: - just in case this thread wasn't controversial enough thought I drop that one in there) :smile1: .

 

Taking away female sexual pleasure or control over how she uses her reproductive organs is quite an effective way of keeping control over women.

 

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Another issue females face in Islamic countries is the ability to divorce. Under Sharia Law a man only has to say "I divorce you" three times and it is completed.

 

Here are some results of opinion polls in Islamic countries done by Pew Research.

 

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Women in Islamic countries have difficulty with free-will, as they are often forced to do whatever their husband tells them to. To quote Jim Jeffries..... While this may sound good in theory....the figures are also worth zooming in on and contemplating what sort of society produces them.

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In Islam, wife beating is permitted; providing the face is avoided, no blood is drawn or bones are broken. It is good to have nice clear boundaries.

 

 

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Women in Islamic countries also suffer from the largest Gender gaps.

 

In this report by the World Economic Forum countries were ranked from 1-142 on relative gaps between women and men across four key areas: health, education, economy and politics.

 

http://reports.weforum.org/global-gender-gap-report-2014/rankings/

 

The bottom 18 are here - extra slice of bacon to those who can see the pattern here.

 

 

124 Bahrain 0.6261

125 Turkey 0.6183

126 Algeria 0.6182

127 Ethiopia 0.6144

128 Oman 0.6091

129 Egypt 0.6064

130 Saudi Arabia 0.6059

131 Mauritania 0.6029

132 Guinea* 0.6005

133 Morocco 0.5988

134 Jordan 0.5968

135 Lebanon 0.5923

136 Côte d’Ivoire 0.5874

137 Iran, Islamic Rep. 0.5811

138 Mali 0.5779

139 Syria 0.5775

140 Chad 0.5764

141 Pakistan 0.5522

 

142 Yemen 0.5145

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I find that being a good bloke and respecting the beliefs of everyone... is the way we should ALL behave...

 

 

Should we respect the beliefs that homosexuality, choosing to leave your religion and adultery should all be punishable by death?

 

Personally I don't respect those beliefs at all.

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Thanks for educating us all about FGM, Niseko, however FGM is not exclusively an Islamic issue.

 

The other day you referred to a person that you disliked as a "c&^%", which is another name for female genitals. So, it surprises me that you hold female genitals in such high regard as to portray yourself as some kind of FGM Champion.

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It surprises me that you hold female genitals in such high regard as to portray yourself as some kind of FGM Champion.

 

Massive fan.

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And FWIW I had a great ride with a Muslim friend followed by breakfast with his family this very morning.

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Thanks for educating us all about FGM, Niseko, however FGM is not exclusively an Islamic issue.

 

 

I know Reza Aslan tries to point to it as an African issue, but FGM rates do have a strong correlation with Islamic countries.

Seven of the top eight countries with very high rates of female circumcision in Africa are majority Muslim, including the "almost universal" levels in Somalia, Egypt, Guinea and Djiboutiin.

 

In Malaysia, a supposedly progressive Muslim country the FGM rates among the practising Islamic population is 93%.

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Niseko, you live in a country that only outlawed child pornography in 2014 and even then gave residents a year's amnesty to get rid of all their evidence and today, child pornography is still allowed to be portrayed in anime.

 

What's your opinion on that?

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Niseko, Â you live in a country that only outlawed child pornography in 2014 and even then gave residents a year's amnesty to get rid of all their evidence and today, child pornography is still allowed to be portrayed in anime.

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What's your opinion on that?

Terrible! Would never defend that. I only just heard that for the first time now.

 

Nor the killing of whales and dolphins.

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I don't know how you can sleep at night living amongst such debauchery. Must feel overwhelming trying to change all the wrongs in the World.

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Terrible! Would never defend that. I only just heard that for the first time now.

 

Nor the killing of whales and dolphins.

 

Good to hear.

 

Foe me, the original topic is tricky to fathom. I find myself agreeing with both TC and Niseko at different times on different topics when it comes to Islam.

 

And a question for TC (for balance). Is there a reason why (with the exception of Jordan as far as I know) the Muslim countries, such as the one you live in are not opening their arms to the myriad displaced (genuine) migrants that are sweeping into Europe?

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